this graduation speech moment is notable, and her amazed shock at having failed to read the room feels instructive.
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@danbrotherston @PaniczGodek @cabel Depending on what counts as poverty and prosperity.
(as an example most(? at least the most influential) poverty calculations count subsistence farming on communal land as poverty because there's no private ownership, no matter how abundant the yield is)
@Mabande @PaniczGodek @cabel I don’t think this is particularly controversial, no matter how much you twiddle the margins. If you think the majority of people are not more prosperous now, by any definition that is remotely objective— well, that is truely an extraordinary claim.
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@GhostOnTheHalfShell @cabel
"The math does not math" - well, AI doesn't know how to do Maths anyway
https://dotnet.social/@SmartmanApps/116000100388648367Raising the question, if the people who own these corporations believe the numbers, their own product produces.
Or the other question of whether the product was trained on their own thinking.
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this graduation speech moment is notable, and her amazed shock at having failed to read the room feels instructive.
when you’re inside the bubble, you think everybody else is. but everybody isn’t.
@cabel
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Raising the question, if the people who own these corporations believe the numbers, their own product produces.
Or the other question of whether the product was trained on their own thinking.
@GhostOnTheHalfShell @cabel
"the other question of whether the product was trained on their own thinking" - that's interesting that you bring that up. We can see clearly the influence of social media on some of the Maths responses, and I have indeed a few times had founders/VC's tell me on socials that I, a Maths teacher, was wrong about order of operations!
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@PaniczGodek @cabel the Industrial Revolution also lifted billions of people out poverty and into prosperity. I don’t see AI doing anything like that.
@danbrotherston @PaniczGodek @cabel why not? It is just another improvement in copying. It makes it easier to share and distribute solutions to problems we have already solved.
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this graduation speech moment is notable, and her amazed shock at having failed to read the room feels instructive.
when you’re inside the bubble, you think everybody else is. but everybody isn’t.
This is worrying. Not the tone-deafness or the misconceptions about AI, but the degree of separation between the top and the low levels *of the same institution dedicated to knowledge*.
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@cabel Here, too, you’re in an “AI-hater” bubble, but AI is here to stay—just as smashing machines didn’t stop the Industrial Revolution.
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@danbrotherston @cabel Just like AI haters aren’t opposed to the environmental and financial impacts of AI; they’re simply afraid of being replaced and don’t want to learn new skills.
@howking @danbrotherston @cabel I think that many "AI haters" ARE actually concerned about the environmental and financial impacts of AI. Burning gas and polluting drinking water to make fake videos of your political opponents or cats isn't intelligence.
You've been drinking too much of the techbro kool-aid.
I'm not sure how old you are but simply saying people don't want to learn new skills is extremely disingenuous. Maybe your parents are already retired and so they don't have to.
Whatever you say, there is no intelligence in AI. There are emergent properties of a complex system, but LLMs are essentially probabilistic word generators. Think about how you form sentences and thoughts. Your brain is not searching for the next most probable word to make a sentence that makes grammatical sense. It is looking to capture and transmit meaning.
"Colourless green ideas sleep furiously"
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@danbrotherston @cabel Just like AI haters aren’t opposed to the environmental and financial impacts of AI; they’re simply afraid of being replaced and don’t want to learn new skills.
@howking @danbrotherston @cabel You can be on the forefront of AI adoption as a software engineer using it all day every day, reading books on your spare time and contemplating ways to improve, and still consider it a blight that has worsened all our lives and is guaranteed to make us even more alienated and confused while concentrating even more wealth in the hands of the ultra rich. This is sadly expected of us as a part of our jobs now. It's not a bubble I'm in. I genuinely hate it.
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@danbrotherston @cabel Just like AI haters aren’t opposed to the environmental and financial impacts of AI; they’re simply afraid of being replaced and don’t want to learn new skills.
Big claim - do you have any evidence for it?
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@Mabande @PaniczGodek @cabel I don’t think this is particularly controversial, no matter how much you twiddle the margins. If you think the majority of people are not more prosperous now, by any definition that is remotely objective— well, that is truely an extraordinary claim.
@danbrotherston @PaniczGodek @cabel That's just the thing: what counts as "prosperous" and "poor"?
If it's a longer life expectancy with better health, prosperity is strictly linked to access to (free) vaccination and health care there's been great prosperity -- although often _in spite of_ the industrial revolution.
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@cabel Here, too, you’re in an “AI-hater” bubble, but AI is here to stay—just as smashing machines didn’t stop the Industrial Revolution.
@cabel @danbrotherston
@pontus_k
@tribactam
@gulfie
@Mikal
@SmartmanApps
@skjeggtroll
@rubixhelixDaniel Beneš (@howking@mastodonczech.cz)
@VeroniqueB99@mastodon.social AI hate is lame.
MastodonCzech (mastodonczech.cz)
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@cabel Here, too, you’re in an “AI-hater” bubble, but AI is here to stay—just as smashing machines didn’t stop the Industrial Revolution.
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@cabel @danbrotherston
@pontus_k
@tribactam
@gulfie
@Mikal
@SmartmanApps
@skjeggtroll
@rubixhelixDaniel Beneš (@howking@mastodonczech.cz)
@VeroniqueB99@mastodon.social AI hate is lame.
MastodonCzech (mastodonczech.cz)
@howking
"AI hate is lame" - factual is the word you're looking for"I understand you, and you understand me" - nope. You most definitely did not understand this https://dotnet.social/@SmartmanApps/116000100388648367
"Just as steam engines came first, then gasoline engines were invented, and now we drive electric cars" - all of which involve engineering, which requires correct answers to Maths, which AI is incapable of
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@howking @danbrotherston @cabel
Like uh...asbestos ?@Teratogenese @howking @danbrotherston @cabel more like Internet
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this graduation speech moment is notable, and her amazed shock at having failed to read the room feels instructive.
when you’re inside the bubble, you think everybody else is. but everybody isn’t.
@cabel cannot turn audio on and my lip reading skills are abysmal
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this graduation speech moment is notable, and her amazed shock at having failed to read the room feels instructive.
when you’re inside the bubble, you think everybody else is. but everybody isn’t.
@cabel
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@danbrotherston @cabel Just like AI haters aren’t opposed to the environmental and financial impacts of AI; they’re simply afraid of being replaced and don’t want to learn new skills.
@howking @danbrotherston @cabel The people not using AI are afraid to learn new skills? Oh, the irony...
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@PaniczGodek @cabel the Industrial Revolution also lifted billions of people out poverty and into prosperity. I don’t see AI doing anything like that.
@danbrotherston @PaniczGodek @cabel If you see it from the distance of two centuries, from a society shaped by the industrial revolution it may look like that. But it seems you underestimate the massive disruption that it caused at the time.
For a lot of people the industrial revolution was catastrophic, bringing poverty, famine and early death. Trade unions, worker parties and communism were invented and revolutions staged. It took decades to fix the worst fallout of the industrial revolution.
Personally, I'd rather not have that happen in my lifetime but here we are.
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@GhostOnTheHalfShell @cabel
"The math does not math" - well, AI doesn't know how to do Maths anyway https://dotnet.social/@SmartmanApps/116000100388648367@SmartmanApps @GhostOnTheHalfShell @cabel but it kind of does? i mean theres mathematicians acknowledging its generating some pretty decent proofs of previously unsolved stuff and so forth. i dont see why people are always clinging to these by now obviously false claims of inaptitude when the issues are much more standard capitalism type
