this graduation speech moment is notable, and her amazed shock at having failed to read the room feels instructive.
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@danbrotherston @cabel Just like AI haters aren’t opposed to the environmental and financial impacts of AI; they’re simply afraid of being replaced and don’t want to learn new skills.
@howking @danbrotherston @cabel
"Just like AI haters aren’t opposed to the environmental and financial impacts of AI" - just the fact that it's wrong all the time, and is harmful in education (hence the reaction)
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@PaniczGodek @cabel the Industrial Revolution also lifted billions of people out poverty and into prosperity. I don’t see AI doing anything like that.
@danbrotherston @PaniczGodek @cabel Depending on what counts as poverty and prosperity.
(as an example most(? at least the most influential) poverty calculations count subsistence farming on communal land as poverty because there's no private ownership, no matter how abundant the yield is)
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@danbrotherston @cabel Just like AI haters aren’t opposed to the environmental and financial impacts of AI; they’re simply afraid of being replaced and don’t want to learn new skills.
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@danbrotherston @cabel Just like AI haters aren’t opposed to the environmental and financial impacts of AI; they’re simply afraid of being replaced and don’t want to learn new skills.
Oh, I can assure you, as an AI hater, I am deeply, profoundly opposed to the environmental impacts of generative AI and data centers. If dismissing AI critics with such a simplistic broad brush is the best you got, well, I rest my case.
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RE: https://masto.ai/@GhostOnTheHalfShell/116519255422938868
For so many reasons, AI is not the next industrial revolution. The math does not math. The more advanced it becomes the more tokens are spent. The subscriptions people are buying right now are heavily subsidize to the tune of between five and 12 times the cost in tokens. The companies are trying to wriggle out from that real reality. Beyond this is the infrastructure reality that distinguishes data centers from previous bubbles like rail or dot com.
@GhostOnTheHalfShell @cabel
"The math does not math" - well, AI doesn't know how to do Maths anyway
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this graduation speech moment is notable, and her amazed shock at having failed to read the room feels instructive.
when you’re inside the bubble, you think everybody else is. but everybody isn’t.
@cabel The companies building AI have told us for the past few years that AI can do our jobs better and cheaper than us and that it will replace us. This sounds great if you're an investor, but we are not investors. We are people who need to work to make ends meet and pay our bills. The vast majority of society is.
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@danbrotherston @PaniczGodek @cabel Depending on what counts as poverty and prosperity.
(as an example most(? at least the most influential) poverty calculations count subsistence farming on communal land as poverty because there's no private ownership, no matter how abundant the yield is)
@Mabande @PaniczGodek @cabel I don’t think this is particularly controversial, no matter how much you twiddle the margins. If you think the majority of people are not more prosperous now, by any definition that is remotely objective— well, that is truely an extraordinary claim.
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@GhostOnTheHalfShell @cabel
"The math does not math" - well, AI doesn't know how to do Maths anyway https://dotnet.social/@SmartmanApps/116000100388648367Raising the question, if the people who own these corporations believe the numbers, their own product produces.
Or the other question of whether the product was trained on their own thinking.
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this graduation speech moment is notable, and her amazed shock at having failed to read the room feels instructive.
when you’re inside the bubble, you think everybody else is. but everybody isn’t.
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Raising the question, if the people who own these corporations believe the numbers, their own product produces.
Or the other question of whether the product was trained on their own thinking.
@GhostOnTheHalfShell @cabel
"the other question of whether the product was trained on their own thinking" - that's interesting that you bring that up. We can see clearly the influence of social media on some of the Maths responses, and I have indeed a few times had founders/VC's tell me on socials that I, a Maths teacher, was wrong about order of operations!
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@PaniczGodek @cabel the Industrial Revolution also lifted billions of people out poverty and into prosperity. I don’t see AI doing anything like that.
@danbrotherston @PaniczGodek @cabel why not? It is just another improvement in copying. It makes it easier to share and distribute solutions to problems we have already solved.
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this graduation speech moment is notable, and her amazed shock at having failed to read the room feels instructive.
when you’re inside the bubble, you think everybody else is. but everybody isn’t.
This is worrying. Not the tone-deafness or the misconceptions about AI, but the degree of separation between the top and the low levels *of the same institution dedicated to knowledge*.
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@cabel Here, too, you’re in an “AI-hater” bubble, but AI is here to stay—just as smashing machines didn’t stop the Industrial Revolution.
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@danbrotherston @cabel Just like AI haters aren’t opposed to the environmental and financial impacts of AI; they’re simply afraid of being replaced and don’t want to learn new skills.
@howking @danbrotherston @cabel I think that many "AI haters" ARE actually concerned about the environmental and financial impacts of AI. Burning gas and polluting drinking water to make fake videos of your political opponents or cats isn't intelligence.
You've been drinking too much of the techbro kool-aid.
I'm not sure how old you are but simply saying people don't want to learn new skills is extremely disingenuous. Maybe your parents are already retired and so they don't have to.
Whatever you say, there is no intelligence in AI. There are emergent properties of a complex system, but LLMs are essentially probabilistic word generators. Think about how you form sentences and thoughts. Your brain is not searching for the next most probable word to make a sentence that makes grammatical sense. It is looking to capture and transmit meaning.
"Colourless green ideas sleep furiously"
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@danbrotherston @cabel Just like AI haters aren’t opposed to the environmental and financial impacts of AI; they’re simply afraid of being replaced and don’t want to learn new skills.
@howking @danbrotherston @cabel You can be on the forefront of AI adoption as a software engineer using it all day every day, reading books on your spare time and contemplating ways to improve, and still consider it a blight that has worsened all our lives and is guaranteed to make us even more alienated and confused while concentrating even more wealth in the hands of the ultra rich. This is sadly expected of us as a part of our jobs now. It's not a bubble I'm in. I genuinely hate it.
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@danbrotherston @cabel Just like AI haters aren’t opposed to the environmental and financial impacts of AI; they’re simply afraid of being replaced and don’t want to learn new skills.
Big claim - do you have any evidence for it?
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@Mabande @PaniczGodek @cabel I don’t think this is particularly controversial, no matter how much you twiddle the margins. If you think the majority of people are not more prosperous now, by any definition that is remotely objective— well, that is truely an extraordinary claim.
@danbrotherston @PaniczGodek @cabel That's just the thing: what counts as "prosperous" and "poor"?
If it's a longer life expectancy with better health, prosperity is strictly linked to access to (free) vaccination and health care there's been great prosperity -- although often _in spite of_ the industrial revolution.
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@cabel Here, too, you’re in an “AI-hater” bubble, but AI is here to stay—just as smashing machines didn’t stop the Industrial Revolution.
@cabel @danbrotherston
@pontus_k
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@gulfie
@Mikal
@SmartmanApps
@skjeggtroll
@rubixhelixDaniel Beneš (@howking@mastodonczech.cz)
@VeroniqueB99@mastodon.social AI hate is lame.
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@cabel Here, too, you’re in an “AI-hater” bubble, but AI is here to stay—just as smashing machines didn’t stop the Industrial Revolution.
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@cabel @danbrotherston
@pontus_k
@tribactam
@gulfie
@Mikal
@SmartmanApps
@skjeggtroll
@rubixhelixDaniel Beneš (@howking@mastodonczech.cz)
@VeroniqueB99@mastodon.social AI hate is lame.
MastodonCzech (mastodonczech.cz)
@howking
"AI hate is lame" - factual is the word you're looking for"I understand you, and you understand me" - nope. You most definitely did not understand this https://dotnet.social/@SmartmanApps/116000100388648367
"Just as steam engines came first, then gasoline engines were invented, and now we drive electric cars" - all of which involve engineering, which requires correct answers to Maths, which AI is incapable of
