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  3. this graduation speech moment is notable, and her amazed shock at having failed to read the room feels instructive.

this graduation speech moment is notable, and her amazed shock at having failed to read the room feels instructive.

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  • danbrotherston@types.plD danbrotherston@types.pl

    @Mabande @PaniczGodek @cabel I don’t think this is particularly controversial, no matter how much you twiddle the margins. If you think the majority of people are not more prosperous now, by any definition that is remotely objective— well, that is truely an extraordinary claim.

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    @danbrotherston @PaniczGodek @cabel That's just the thing: what counts as "prosperous" and "poor"?
    If it's a longer life expectancy with better health, prosperity is strictly linked to access to (free) vaccination and health care there's been great prosperity -- although often _in spite of_ the industrial revolution.
    (side note: TIL that during the industrial revolution life expectancy in England didn't increase for the poor/workers, while the elites gained about a decade or so)

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    • howking@mastodonczech.czH howking@mastodonczech.cz

      @cabel Here, too, you’re in an “AI-hater” bubble, but AI is here to stay—just as smashing machines didn’t stop the Industrial Revolution.

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      @cabel @danbrotherston
      @pontus_k
      @tribactam
      @gulfie
      @Mikal
      @SmartmanApps
      @skjeggtroll
      @rubixhelix

      Daniel Beneš (@howking@mastodonczech.cz)

      @VeroniqueB99@mastodon.social AI hate is lame.

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      • howking@mastodonczech.czH howking@mastodonczech.cz

        @cabel Here, too, you’re in an “AI-hater” bubble, but AI is here to stay—just as smashing machines didn’t stop the Industrial Revolution.

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        @howking @cabel what exactly is AI?
        Because I am like forever in industry and what people call AI now, has nothing to do with AI and gonna fade away.
        There are other technologies that will automate way more.
        AI nonsense hype bubble is incredibly real.

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        • howking@mastodonczech.czH howking@mastodonczech.cz

          @cabel @danbrotherston
          @pontus_k
          @tribactam
          @gulfie
          @Mikal
          @SmartmanApps
          @skjeggtroll
          @rubixhelix

          Daniel Beneš (@howking@mastodonczech.cz)

          @VeroniqueB99@mastodon.social AI hate is lame.

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          @howking
          "AI hate is lame" - factual is the word you're looking for

          "I understand you, and you understand me" - nope. You most definitely did not understand this https://dotnet.social/@SmartmanApps/116000100388648367

          "Just as steam engines came first, then gasoline engines were invented, and now we drive electric cars" - all of which involve engineering, which requires correct answers to Maths, which AI is incapable of 🙄

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          • teratogenese@mamot.frT teratogenese@mamot.fr

            @howking @danbrotherston @cabel
            Like uh...asbestos ?

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            @Teratogenese @howking @danbrotherston @cabel more like Internet

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            • cabel@social.panic.comC cabel@social.panic.com

              this graduation speech moment is notable, and her amazed shock at having failed to read the room feels instructive.

              when you’re inside the bubble, you think everybody else is. but everybody isn’t.

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              @cabel cannot turn audio on and my lip reading skills are abysmal

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              • cabel@social.panic.comC cabel@social.panic.com

                this graduation speech moment is notable, and her amazed shock at having failed to read the room feels instructive.

                when you’re inside the bubble, you think everybody else is. but everybody isn’t.

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                @cabel
                The kids are alright...

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                • howking@mastodonczech.czH howking@mastodonczech.cz

                  @danbrotherston @cabel Just like AI haters aren’t opposed to the environmental and financial impacts of AI; they’re simply afraid of being replaced and don’t want to learn new skills.

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                  @howking @danbrotherston @cabel The people not using AI are afraid to learn new skills? Oh, the irony...

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                  • danbrotherston@types.plD danbrotherston@types.pl

                    @PaniczGodek @cabel the Industrial Revolution also lifted billions of people out poverty and into prosperity. I don’t see AI doing anything like that.

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                    @danbrotherston @PaniczGodek @cabel If you see it from the distance of two centuries, from a society shaped by the industrial revolution it may look like that. But it seems you underestimate the massive disruption that it caused at the time.

                    For a lot of people the industrial revolution was catastrophic, bringing poverty, famine and early death. Trade unions, worker parties and communism were invented and revolutions staged. It took decades to fix the worst fallout of the industrial revolution.

                    Personally, I'd rather not have that happen in my lifetime but here we are.

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                    • smartmanapps@dotnet.socialS smartmanapps@dotnet.social

                      @GhostOnTheHalfShell @cabel
                      "The math does not math" - well, AI doesn't know how to do Maths anyway 😂 https://dotnet.social/@SmartmanApps/116000100388648367

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                      @SmartmanApps @GhostOnTheHalfShell @cabel but it kind of does? i mean theres mathematicians acknowledging its generating some pretty decent proofs of previously unsolved stuff and so forth. i dont see why people are always clinging to these by now obviously false claims of inaptitude when the issues are much more standard capitalism type

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                      • smartmanapps@dotnet.socialS smartmanapps@dotnet.social

                        @GhostOnTheHalfShell @cabel
                        "The math does not math" - well, AI doesn't know how to do Maths anyway 😂 https://dotnet.social/@SmartmanApps/116000100388648367

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                        @SmartmanApps @GhostOnTheHalfShell @cabel

                        Reimagined Mouse Pointer (@pikesley@mastodon.me.uk)

                        "We made the computers, the notoriously accurate calculating machines, worse at arithmetic. This is surely progress along the path to creating Computer God"

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                        • danbrotherston@types.plD danbrotherston@types.pl

                          @howking @cabel the luddites weren’t against the machine, they were against capitalist ownership and the transition of craftsmen with some power into factory workers with none. It’s a much more nuanced storey.

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                          @danbrotherston @howking @cabel Not only were the Luddites not against the machinery, many of them were MASTER USERS OF IT. Exactly as you said, the protest wasn't against machinery but against what it was doing to entire societies.

                          And it's the same fight today.

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                          • howking@mastodonczech.czH howking@mastodonczech.cz

                            @danbrotherston @cabel Just like AI haters aren’t opposed to the environmental and financial impacts of AI; they’re simply afraid of being replaced and don’t want to learn new skills.

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                            @howking @danbrotherston @cabel

                            Smluvní podmínky a základní lidská slušnost mi zakazují vyjádřit mou nefiltrovanou reakci na tenhle debilní výrok.

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                            • angiebaby@mas.toA angiebaby@mas.to

                              @howking @danbrotherston @cabel

                              Smluvní podmínky a základní lidská slušnost mi zakazují vyjádřit mou nefiltrovanou reakci na tenhle debilní výrok.

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                              @howking @danbrotherston @cabel

                              "U DON'T CARE ABOUT THE ENVIRONMENT, UR JUST A HAAAAAAATER"

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                                @rainynight65 @cabel Don’t think she knows what she’s saying..

                                The industrial revolution was about deskilling, removing power #labour used to have, and concentrating it in the hands of those who owned the machines

                                This is the same plan #AI industrialists have right now

                                It isn’t one bit worth to celebrate. No teacher worth their salt should be praising it

                                The #industrialrevolution plunged majorities of citizens into poverty for 4 generations before they took control back!

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                                • howking@mastodonczech.czH howking@mastodonczech.cz

                                  @cabel Here, too, you’re in an “AI-hater” bubble, but AI is here to stay—just as smashing machines didn’t stop the Industrial Revolution.

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                                  @howking @cabel Dude. Really.

                                  History is **littered** with technology that was "here to stay" and was going to "change the world". **AI ALONE** has gone through at least four cycles of this hype in my lifetime alone!

                                  LLMbeciles, in specific, are going to die a horrible death as soon as the fiscal gloves come off and be relegated to tiny niches like all prior AI did.

                                  But go ahead. Ignore history. I'll just grab the popcorn and watch.

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