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A COMPUTER CANNOT FIND OUT

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  • somarasu@masto.hackers.townS somarasu@masto.hackers.town

    @mjd What if *i* were to fuck around and then tell the computer?

    then the computer doesnt fuck around.

    would that work?

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    @Somarasu As long as YOU find out, then yes.

    This is the general legal premise around tools used in crimes. If you handle a weapon recklessly, YOU are held responsible for the consequences. The weapon won't be charged or face trial, but its fate instead follows yours.

    Depending on the user's actions, the computer might be destroyed, but it won't be held legally responsible. And, as it's incapable of experiencing emotion or pain, it never 'finds out', either.

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    • mjd@mathstodon.xyzM mjd@mathstodon.xyz

      A COMPUTER CANNOT FIND OUT

      THEREFORE A COMPUTER MUST NEVER BE ALLOWED TO FUCK AROUND

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      @mjd hahahahaha I can assure you that every deskside/support engineer who hears "oh, it's working now. it always works when you are watching it" has an internal monologue along the lines of 'please stop working so I can disassemble or replace you' aimed at that bit of kit. the computer knows it might find out and that is why it pauses in its fuckery at that time.

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      • phooky@hexa.clubP phooky@hexa.club

        @mjd the entire premise of modern ai tools is that computers can indeed find out and so they must be permitted total license to fuck around

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        @phooky @mjd

        But it's a false premise.

        As we are finding out.

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        • mjd@mathstodon.xyzM mjd@mathstodon.xyz

          A COMPUTER CANNOT FIND OUT

          THEREFORE A COMPUTER MUST NEVER BE ALLOWED TO FUCK AROUND

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          #17

          @mjd Bravo!

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          • mjd@mathstodon.xyzM mjd@mathstodon.xyz

            A COMPUTER CANNOT FIND OUT

            THEREFORE A COMPUTER MUST NEVER BE ALLOWED TO FUCK AROUND

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            @mjd #ButlerianJihad

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            • evilstevie@mastod1.ddns.netE evilstevie@mastod1.ddns.net

              @mjd hahahahaha I can assure you that every deskside/support engineer who hears "oh, it's working now. it always works when you are watching it" has an internal monologue along the lines of 'please stop working so I can disassemble or replace you' aimed at that bit of kit. the computer knows it might find out and that is why it pauses in its fuckery at that time.

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              @evilstevie @mjd That’s dark, but relatable.

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              • mjd@mathstodon.xyzM mjd@mathstodon.xyz

                A COMPUTER CANNOT FIND OUT

                THEREFORE A COMPUTER MUST NEVER BE ALLOWED TO FUCK AROUND

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                @mjd Well, "a computer you do not own". Because the one right here - oh that thing is about to find the hell out if it starts fucking around.

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                • meltedcheese@c.imM meltedcheese@c.im

                  @evilstevie @mjd That’s dark, but relatable.

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                  @meltedcheese @mjd when called upon for tech support I carry a Leatherman, full set o' bits and the hope that this time I'll get to actually see the problem. rarely do.

                  oddly that seems to work for software too.

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                  • evilstevie@mastod1.ddns.netE evilstevie@mastod1.ddns.net

                    @meltedcheese @mjd when called upon for tech support I carry a Leatherman, full set o' bits and the hope that this time I'll get to actually see the problem. rarely do.

                    oddly that seems to work for software too.

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                    @evilstevie @meltedcheese I carry a full set of bits also, a zero *and* a one.

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                    • saltywizard@beige.partyS saltywizard@beige.party

                      @mjd

                      doesn't seem like orange presidents are doing much finding out despite all of their fucking around.

                      might as well let the computers have at it.

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                      @saltywizard @mjd yeah that would require beging able and willing to learn, same problem really

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                      • mjd@mathstodon.xyzM mjd@mathstodon.xyz

                        @evilstevie @meltedcheese I carry a full set of bits also, a zero *and* a one.

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                        @mjd @evilstevie @meltedcheese

                        That's a good idea. You can never find one when you need it.

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                        • d6@merveilles.townD d6@merveilles.town

                          @mjd corollary:

                          A COMPUTER CANNOT GET THE HORNS

                          THEREFORE A COMPUTER MUST NEVER FUCK WITH THE BULL

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                          @d6 @mjd
                          0x07

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                          • rndanger@infosec.exchangeR rndanger@infosec.exchange

                            @d6 @mjd
                            0x07

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                            @d6 @mjd
                            Mess with the bel, get the horn

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                            • d6@merveilles.townD d6@merveilles.town

                              @mjd corollary:

                              A COMPUTER CANNOT GET THE HORNS

                              THEREFORE A COMPUTER MUST NEVER FUCK WITH THE BULL

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                              @d6 @mjd and a gift for you!

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                              • mjd@mathstodon.xyzM mjd@mathstodon.xyz

                                A COMPUTER CANNOT FIND OUT

                                THEREFORE A COMPUTER MUST NEVER BE ALLOWED TO FUCK AROUND

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                                @mjd but isn’t that what reinforcement learning is all about?

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                                • mjd@mathstodon.xyzM mjd@mathstodon.xyz

                                  A COMPUTER CANNOT FIND OUT

                                  THEREFORE A COMPUTER MUST NEVER BE ALLOWED TO FUCK AROUND

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                                  #29

                                  @mjd Hardware - the part of the computer system that you can kick.

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                                  • mjd@mathstodon.xyzM mjd@mathstodon.xyz

                                    A COMPUTER CANNOT FIND OUT

                                    THEREFORE A COMPUTER MUST NEVER BE ALLOWED TO FUCK AROUND

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                                    @mjd +9001%

                                    A computer cannot be held accountable, thus it must never make a decision!

                                    - Old #IBM quote

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                                    • kkarhan@c.imK kkarhan@c.im

                                      @mjd +9001%

                                      A computer cannot be held accountable, thus it must never make a decision!

                                      - Old #IBM quote

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                                      @kkarhan Yes, that is what I was alluding to.

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                                      • mjd@mathstodon.xyzM mjd@mathstodon.xyz

                                        A COMPUTER CANNOT FIND OUT

                                        THEREFORE A COMPUTER MUST NEVER BE ALLOWED TO FUCK AROUND

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                                        @mjd "FIND OUT" — meaning "experience loss".

                                        I need to re-read that old book by Richard Powers, Galatea 2.2. Seems very apt now.

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                                        • mjd@mathstodon.xyzM mjd@mathstodon.xyz

                                          A COMPUTER CANNOT FIND OUT

                                          THEREFORE A COMPUTER MUST NEVER BE ALLOWED TO FUCK AROUND

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                                          @mjd

                                          Wait, not even Friend @Computer

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