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A COMPUTER CANNOT FIND OUT

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  • somarasu@masto.hackers.townS somarasu@masto.hackers.town

    @glennseto @mjd well yeah, in so many words

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    @Somarasu @mjd Been doing a lot of that again lately, so your post rang very true to that experience.

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    • mjd@mathstodon.xyzM mjd@mathstodon.xyz

      A COMPUTER CANNOT FIND OUT

      THEREFORE A COMPUTER MUST NEVER BE ALLOWED TO FUCK AROUND

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      @mjd Agreed, it would violate the symmetry.

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      • phooky@hexa.clubP phooky@hexa.club

        @mjd the entire premise of modern ai tools is that computers can indeed find out and so they must be permitted total license to fuck around

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        @phooky

        In an engineering class, I learned something along the lines of engineering being the opposite of aroundfuckery because it plans, observes and documents.

        Modern AI tools are stuck in the observation phase, I guess?

        @mjd

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        • mjd@mathstodon.xyzM mjd@mathstodon.xyz

          A COMPUTER CANNOT FIND OUT

          THEREFORE A COMPUTER MUST NEVER BE ALLOWED TO FUCK AROUND

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          @mjd corollary:

          A COMPUTER CANNOT GET THE HORNS

          THEREFORE A COMPUTER MUST NEVER FUCK WITH THE BULL

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          • mjd@mathstodon.xyzM mjd@mathstodon.xyz

            A COMPUTER CANNOT FIND OUT

            THEREFORE A COMPUTER MUST NEVER BE ALLOWED TO FUCK AROUND

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            @mjd a gift for you

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            • mjd@mathstodon.xyzM mjd@mathstodon.xyz

              A COMPUTER CANNOT FIND OUT

              THEREFORE A COMPUTER MUST NEVER BE ALLOWED TO FUCK AROUND

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              @mjd

              doesn't seem like orange presidents are doing much finding out despite all of their fucking around.

              might as well let the computers have at it.

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              • somarasu@masto.hackers.townS somarasu@masto.hackers.town

                @mjd What if *i* were to fuck around and then tell the computer?

                then the computer doesnt fuck around.

                would that work?

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                @Somarasu As long as YOU find out, then yes.

                This is the general legal premise around tools used in crimes. If you handle a weapon recklessly, YOU are held responsible for the consequences. The weapon won't be charged or face trial, but its fate instead follows yours.

                Depending on the user's actions, the computer might be destroyed, but it won't be held legally responsible. And, as it's incapable of experiencing emotion or pain, it never 'finds out', either.

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                • mjd@mathstodon.xyzM mjd@mathstodon.xyz

                  A COMPUTER CANNOT FIND OUT

                  THEREFORE A COMPUTER MUST NEVER BE ALLOWED TO FUCK AROUND

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                  @mjd hahahahaha I can assure you that every deskside/support engineer who hears "oh, it's working now. it always works when you are watching it" has an internal monologue along the lines of 'please stop working so I can disassemble or replace you' aimed at that bit of kit. the computer knows it might find out and that is why it pauses in its fuckery at that time.

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                  • phooky@hexa.clubP phooky@hexa.club

                    @mjd the entire premise of modern ai tools is that computers can indeed find out and so they must be permitted total license to fuck around

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                    @phooky @mjd

                    But it's a false premise.

                    As we are finding out.

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                    • mjd@mathstodon.xyzM mjd@mathstodon.xyz

                      A COMPUTER CANNOT FIND OUT

                      THEREFORE A COMPUTER MUST NEVER BE ALLOWED TO FUCK AROUND

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                      @mjd Bravo!

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                      • mjd@mathstodon.xyzM mjd@mathstodon.xyz

                        A COMPUTER CANNOT FIND OUT

                        THEREFORE A COMPUTER MUST NEVER BE ALLOWED TO FUCK AROUND

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                        @mjd #ButlerianJihad

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                        • evilstevie@mastod1.ddns.netE evilstevie@mastod1.ddns.net

                          @mjd hahahahaha I can assure you that every deskside/support engineer who hears "oh, it's working now. it always works when you are watching it" has an internal monologue along the lines of 'please stop working so I can disassemble or replace you' aimed at that bit of kit. the computer knows it might find out and that is why it pauses in its fuckery at that time.

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                          @evilstevie @mjd That’s dark, but relatable.

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                          • mjd@mathstodon.xyzM mjd@mathstodon.xyz

                            A COMPUTER CANNOT FIND OUT

                            THEREFORE A COMPUTER MUST NEVER BE ALLOWED TO FUCK AROUND

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                            @mjd Well, "a computer you do not own". Because the one right here - oh that thing is about to find the hell out if it starts fucking around.

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                            • meltedcheese@c.imM meltedcheese@c.im

                              @evilstevie @mjd That’s dark, but relatable.

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                              @meltedcheese @mjd when called upon for tech support I carry a Leatherman, full set o' bits and the hope that this time I'll get to actually see the problem. rarely do.

                              oddly that seems to work for software too.

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                              • evilstevie@mastod1.ddns.netE evilstevie@mastod1.ddns.net

                                @meltedcheese @mjd when called upon for tech support I carry a Leatherman, full set o' bits and the hope that this time I'll get to actually see the problem. rarely do.

                                oddly that seems to work for software too.

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                                @evilstevie @meltedcheese I carry a full set of bits also, a zero *and* a one.

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                                • saltywizard@beige.partyS saltywizard@beige.party

                                  @mjd

                                  doesn't seem like orange presidents are doing much finding out despite all of their fucking around.

                                  might as well let the computers have at it.

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                                  @saltywizard @mjd yeah that would require beging able and willing to learn, same problem really

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                                  • mjd@mathstodon.xyzM mjd@mathstodon.xyz

                                    @evilstevie @meltedcheese I carry a full set of bits also, a zero *and* a one.

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                                    @mjd @evilstevie @meltedcheese

                                    That's a good idea. You can never find one when you need it.

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                                    • d6@merveilles.townD d6@merveilles.town

                                      @mjd corollary:

                                      A COMPUTER CANNOT GET THE HORNS

                                      THEREFORE A COMPUTER MUST NEVER FUCK WITH THE BULL

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                                      @d6 @mjd
                                      0x07

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                                      • rndanger@infosec.exchangeR rndanger@infosec.exchange

                                        @d6 @mjd
                                        0x07

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                                        @d6 @mjd
                                        Mess with the bel, get the horn

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                                        • d6@merveilles.townD d6@merveilles.town

                                          @mjd corollary:

                                          A COMPUTER CANNOT GET THE HORNS

                                          THEREFORE A COMPUTER MUST NEVER FUCK WITH THE BULL

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                                          @d6 @mjd and a gift for you!

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