So, Chrome's "web standard" Prompt API:

jaffathecake@mastodon.social

Mozilla: Opposed
WebKit: Opposed
Microsoft: Several concerns
W3C TAG: Several concerns
Developers: Mostly negative

Chrome: Ships anyway.

A sad time for web standards. But, I guess someone at Google will get promoted, so 'every cloud…'

jaffathecake@mastodon.social

We now have an 'open web API' that requires you to comply with Google's "terms of use". I know many at Chrome disagree with this, but feel they can't say anything publicly out of fear of internal retribution. https://github.com/mozilla/standards-positions/issues/1213#issuecomment-4347988313

nachtfunke@indieweb.social

@jaffathecake what are we as developers supposed to do here? We have literally no say in this whatsoever.

It’s a genuine question, what are we supposed to? Because I subjectively feel like we could have done something maybe 10 years ago, but now…?

jaffathecake@mastodon.social

@nachtfunke oh, Google had you all down as "strongly supportive" https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/g/blink-dev/c/iR6R7-nQeHI/m/gN4iEGEdAQAJ

jsnkuhn@mastodon.social

@nachtfunke @jaffathecake Not sure if this really matters at this point either but there is a web-platform-dx/developer-signals repo for this that few seem to be aware of. Maybe this is a better place to be collecting general developer sentiment: https://github.com/web-platform-dx/developer-signals/issues/556

nachtfunke@indieweb.social

@jaffathecake Honestly, maybe the reality is just that we developers nowadays are positioned too much by business practices that the majority is indeed strongly supportive. I don’t know anymore.

I am tired of this all. When you’re sounding the alarm early you’re being negative and when you criticize it when it’s a manifest problem then you’re being called complicit.

I don’t know anymore. Im a modern Luddite at this point

lukew@toot.wales

@nachtfunke @jaffathecake I think the big power developers do still hold is to just not use this API. The web isn't cast in stone (as much as people may think it is), if the usage stays low enough there's a chance it might unship in years to come, or at least go through changes to make others more onboard (idk if that's feasible here though).

af@cas.social

@nachtfunke @jaffathecake
My conclusion from the earlier browser wars: history unfortunately repeats itself, and too much market dominance is harmful to platform-independent web standards.

nachtfunke@indieweb.social

@af yes indeed. I would argue that market dynamics shouldn't have any influence on the infrastructure of modern human connection.

phl@mastodon.social

@jaffathecake @nachtfunke I loved that one when I read it the other day The strongly supportive was one comment in a github issue, a blog that doesn't exist anymore, and another blog post. Overwhelming interest, overwhelming support!

raymaccarthy@mastodon.ie

@jaffathecake
Google / Alphabet needs to have Android & Chrome divested from them and them kicked out of everything.

They are an Advertising agency that cares nothing about local laws or people.
Somel finance from Eric Schmidt, who was CEO for a while. Hides from public eye and hardly mentioned in history of Google. He turned it into an advertising agency fuelled by surveillance.
Google Analytics and Recaptcha are evil tools they use that no-one should deploy, or any other Google service.

joshhunt@hachyderm.io

@jaffathecake Maybe there's some definition of "developers" in the spec process, but I think it is problematic to consider "developers" to be one giant mass.

I agree with you - this is a bad API. But especially given the topic, I think this process self-selects for the most vocal, and I can imagine there are loads of developers out there that are genuinely supportive of an API like this.

dozymoe@mastodon.social

@jaffathecake agents in your very browsers

clutch_lever@mastodon.social

@jaffathecake I've been saying chrome is the new ie for years...

jaffathecake@mastodon.social

@joshhunt if there is then they failed to show it. They posted a couple of links, including a survey about something else.

bit@ohai.social

@jaffathecake

Alternatives are available.
https://www.firefox.com

thestonedonkey@beige.party

@bit I switched to it last year and not had any issues. It's a great alternative if your tired of all the nonsense Chrome keeps rolling out.

raymaccarthy@mastodon.ie

@jaffathecake
Amazon, Google, Apple, Musk etc show the huge flaw in allowing shares as collateral for loans as "payment" for a takeover, often described as a merger.

Obscene Capitalism.