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  • nachtfunke@indieweb.socialN nachtfunke@indieweb.social

    @jaffathecake what are we as developers supposed to do here? We have literally no say in this whatsoever.

    It’s a genuine question, what are we supposed to? Because I subjectively feel like we could have done something maybe 10 years ago, but now…?

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    @nachtfunke @jaffathecake Not sure if this really matters at this point either but there is a web-platform-dx/developer-signals repo for this that few seem to be aware of. Maybe this is a better place to be collecting general developer sentiment: https://github.com/web-platform-dx/developer-signals/issues/556

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    • jaffathecake@mastodon.socialJ jaffathecake@mastodon.social

      @nachtfunke oh, Google had you all down as "strongly supportive" https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/g/blink-dev/c/iR6R7-nQeHI/m/gN4iEGEdAQAJ

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      @jaffathecake Honestly, maybe the reality is just that we developers nowadays are positioned too much by business practices that the majority is indeed strongly supportive. I don’t know anymore.

      I am tired of this all. When you’re sounding the alarm early you’re being negative and when you criticize it when it’s a manifest problem then you’re being called complicit.

      I don’t know anymore. Im a modern Luddite at this point

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      • nachtfunke@indieweb.socialN nachtfunke@indieweb.social

        @jaffathecake what are we as developers supposed to do here? We have literally no say in this whatsoever.

        It’s a genuine question, what are we supposed to? Because I subjectively feel like we could have done something maybe 10 years ago, but now…?

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        @nachtfunke @jaffathecake I think the big power developers do still hold is to just not use this API. The web isn't cast in stone (as much as people may think it is), if the usage stays low enough there's a chance it might unship in years to come, or at least go through changes to make others more onboard (idk if that's feasible here though).

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        • nachtfunke@indieweb.socialN nachtfunke@indieweb.social

          @jaffathecake Honestly, maybe the reality is just that we developers nowadays are positioned too much by business practices that the majority is indeed strongly supportive. I don’t know anymore.

          I am tired of this all. When you’re sounding the alarm early you’re being negative and when you criticize it when it’s a manifest problem then you’re being called complicit.

          I don’t know anymore. Im a modern Luddite at this point

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          @nachtfunke @jaffathecake
          My conclusion from the earlier browser wars: history unfortunately repeats itself, and too much market dominance is harmful to platform-independent web standards.

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          • af@cas.socialA af@cas.social

            @nachtfunke @jaffathecake
            My conclusion from the earlier browser wars: history unfortunately repeats itself, and too much market dominance is harmful to platform-independent web standards.

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            @af yes indeed. I would argue that market dynamics shouldn't have any influence on the infrastructure of modern human connection.

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            • jaffathecake@mastodon.socialJ jaffathecake@mastodon.social

              @nachtfunke oh, Google had you all down as "strongly supportive" https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/g/blink-dev/c/iR6R7-nQeHI/m/gN4iEGEdAQAJ

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              @jaffathecake @nachtfunke I loved that one when I read it the other day 😄 The strongly supportive was one comment in a github issue, a blog that doesn't exist anymore, and another blog post. Overwhelming interest, overwhelming support! 😄

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              • jaffathecake@mastodon.socialJ jaffathecake@mastodon.social

                So, Chrome's "web standard" Prompt API:

                Mozilla: Opposed
                WebKit: Opposed
                Microsoft: Several concerns
                W3C TAG: Several concerns
                Developers: Mostly negative

                Chrome: Ships anyway.

                A sad time for web standards. But, I guess someone at Google will get promoted, so 'every cloud…'

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                @jaffathecake
                Google / Alphabet needs to have Android & Chrome divested from them and them kicked out of everything.

                They are an Advertising agency that cares nothing about local laws or people.
                Somel finance from Eric Schmidt, who was CEO for a while. Hides from public eye and hardly mentioned in history of Google. He turned it into an advertising agency fuelled by surveillance.
                Google Analytics and Recaptcha are evil tools they use that no-one should deploy, or any other Google service.

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                • jaffathecake@mastodon.socialJ jaffathecake@mastodon.social

                  @nachtfunke oh, Google had you all down as "strongly supportive" https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/g/blink-dev/c/iR6R7-nQeHI/m/gN4iEGEdAQAJ

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                  @jaffathecake Maybe there's some definition of "developers" in the spec process, but I think it is problematic to consider "developers" to be one giant mass.

                  I agree with you - this is a bad API. But especially given the topic, I think this process self-selects for the most vocal, and I can imagine there are loads of developers out there that are genuinely supportive of an API like this.

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                  • jaffathecake@mastodon.socialJ jaffathecake@mastodon.social

                    So, Chrome's "web standard" Prompt API:

                    Mozilla: Opposed
                    WebKit: Opposed
                    Microsoft: Several concerns
                    W3C TAG: Several concerns
                    Developers: Mostly negative

                    Chrome: Ships anyway.

                    A sad time for web standards. But, I guess someone at Google will get promoted, so 'every cloud…'

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                    #13

                    @jaffathecake agents in your very browsers

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                    • jaffathecake@mastodon.socialJ jaffathecake@mastodon.social

                      So, Chrome's "web standard" Prompt API:

                      Mozilla: Opposed
                      WebKit: Opposed
                      Microsoft: Several concerns
                      W3C TAG: Several concerns
                      Developers: Mostly negative

                      Chrome: Ships anyway.

                      A sad time for web standards. But, I guess someone at Google will get promoted, so 'every cloud…'

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                      @jaffathecake I've been saying chrome is the new ie for years...

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                      • joshhunt@hachyderm.ioJ joshhunt@hachyderm.io

                        @jaffathecake Maybe there's some definition of "developers" in the spec process, but I think it is problematic to consider "developers" to be one giant mass.

                        I agree with you - this is a bad API. But especially given the topic, I think this process self-selects for the most vocal, and I can imagine there are loads of developers out there that are genuinely supportive of an API like this.

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                        @joshhunt if there is then they failed to show it. They posted a couple of links, including a survey about something else.

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                        • jaffathecake@mastodon.socialJ jaffathecake@mastodon.social

                          So, Chrome's "web standard" Prompt API:

                          Mozilla: Opposed
                          WebKit: Opposed
                          Microsoft: Several concerns
                          W3C TAG: Several concerns
                          Developers: Mostly negative

                          Chrome: Ships anyway.

                          A sad time for web standards. But, I guess someone at Google will get promoted, so 'every cloud…'

                          bit@ohai.socialB This user is from outside of this forum
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                          @jaffathecake

                          Alternatives are available.
                          https://www.firefox.com

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                          • bit@ohai.socialB bit@ohai.social

                            @jaffathecake

                            Alternatives are available.
                            https://www.firefox.com

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                            @bit I switched to it last year and not had any issues.  It's a great alternative if your tired of all the nonsense Chrome keeps rolling out.

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                            • raymaccarthy@mastodon.ieR raymaccarthy@mastodon.ie

                              @jaffathecake
                              Google / Alphabet needs to have Android & Chrome divested from them and them kicked out of everything.

                              They are an Advertising agency that cares nothing about local laws or people.
                              Somel finance from Eric Schmidt, who was CEO for a while. Hides from public eye and hardly mentioned in history of Google. He turned it into an advertising agency fuelled by surveillance.
                              Google Analytics and Recaptcha are evil tools they use that no-one should deploy, or any other Google service.

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                              @jaffathecake
                              Amazon, Google, Apple, Musk etc show the huge flaw in allowing shares as collateral for loans as "payment" for a takeover, often described as a merger.

                              Obscene Capitalism.

                              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mergers_and_acquisitions_by_Amazon

                              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mergers_and_acquisitions_by_Alphabet

                              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mergers_and_acquisitions_by_Apple

                              Musk is rich by background, luck & stupidity of other people, partly Peter Thiel.

                              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_career_of_Elon_Musk

                              Paid Tesla to claim he was a founder.

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                              • jaffathecake@mastodon.socialJ jaffathecake@mastodon.social

                                So, Chrome's "web standard" Prompt API:

                                Mozilla: Opposed
                                WebKit: Opposed
                                Microsoft: Several concerns
                                W3C TAG: Several concerns
                                Developers: Mostly negative

                                Chrome: Ships anyway.

                                A sad time for web standards. But, I guess someone at Google will get promoted, so 'every cloud…'

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                                @jaffathecake Internal politics trumps external reactions every time.

                                I am currently using waterfox, a Clean fork of Firefox ( no AI features, kill switch or no )

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                                • phl@mastodon.socialP phl@mastodon.social

                                  @jaffathecake @nachtfunke I loved that one when I read it the other day 😄 The strongly supportive was one comment in a github issue, a blog that doesn't exist anymore, and another blog post. Overwhelming interest, overwhelming support! 😄

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                                  @phl @jaffathecake @nachtfunke

                                  Ya know they say threes a crowd 😅

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                                  • jaffathecake@mastodon.socialJ jaffathecake@mastodon.social

                                    So, Chrome's "web standard" Prompt API:

                                    Mozilla: Opposed
                                    WebKit: Opposed
                                    Microsoft: Several concerns
                                    W3C TAG: Several concerns
                                    Developers: Mostly negative

                                    Chrome: Ships anyway.

                                    A sad time for web standards. But, I guess someone at Google will get promoted, so 'every cloud…'

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                                    @jaffathecake

                                    Given the other shit that Google is shipping the moment, their browser won't be going onto any system that doesn't absolutely need it.

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                                    • jaffathecake@mastodon.socialJ jaffathecake@mastodon.social

                                      So, Chrome's "web standard" Prompt API:

                                      Mozilla: Opposed
                                      WebKit: Opposed
                                      Microsoft: Several concerns
                                      W3C TAG: Several concerns
                                      Developers: Mostly negative

                                      Chrome: Ships anyway.

                                      A sad time for web standards. But, I guess someone at Google will get promoted, so 'every cloud…'

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                                      @jaffathecake

                                      Google is on the boycott list.
                                      They’re too big for anyone’s good & are tied in with the two governments that care more about big brother surveillance and holy wars than their people.

                                      I like ecosia (they plant trees for each search)
                                      Brave and Firefox are cool too

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                                      • nachtfunke@indieweb.socialN nachtfunke@indieweb.social

                                        @jaffathecake what are we as developers supposed to do here? We have literally no say in this whatsoever.

                                        It’s a genuine question, what are we supposed to? Because I subjectively feel like we could have done something maybe 10 years ago, but now…?

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                                        @nachtfunke @jaffathecake oh that's easy developers needed to keep using and supporting Firefox because open internet matters more than anything else.

                                        Sadly, majority of developers failed at that, just like they did with Internet Exploder.

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                                        • jaffathecake@mastodon.socialJ jaffathecake@mastodon.social

                                          So, Chrome's "web standard" Prompt API:

                                          Mozilla: Opposed
                                          WebKit: Opposed
                                          Microsoft: Several concerns
                                          W3C TAG: Several concerns
                                          Developers: Mostly negative

                                          Chrome: Ships anyway.

                                          A sad time for web standards. But, I guess someone at Google will get promoted, so 'every cloud…'

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                                          @jaffathecake Sounds kind of like how #Mozilla pushed ahead with #AI even after your lying polls about the provenance of training data in translations and the multitude of negative comments here and on Mozilla Connect.

                                          Pretty good blind spot for Mozilla - you can only tell when things are bad when your competitors do it.

                                          https://www.quippd.com/writing/2026/02/09/firefoxs-ai-kill-switch-is-a-trap-how-mozilla-made-ai-your-problem.html

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