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  • jaffathecake@mastodon.socialJ jaffathecake@mastodon.social

    So, Chrome's "web standard" Prompt API:

    Mozilla: Opposed
    WebKit: Opposed
    Microsoft: Several concerns
    W3C TAG: Several concerns
    Developers: Mostly negative

    Chrome: Ships anyway.

    A sad time for web standards. But, I guess someone at Google will get promoted, so 'every cloud…'

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    @jaffathecake Sounds kind of like how #Mozilla pushed ahead with #AI even after your lying polls about the provenance of training data in translations and the multitude of negative comments here and on Mozilla Connect.

    Pretty good blind spot for Mozilla - you can only tell when things are bad when your competitors do it.

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    • jaffathecake@mastodon.socialJ jaffathecake@mastodon.social

      So, Chrome's "web standard" Prompt API:

      Mozilla: Opposed
      WebKit: Opposed
      Microsoft: Several concerns
      W3C TAG: Several concerns
      Developers: Mostly negative

      Chrome: Ships anyway.

      A sad time for web standards. But, I guess someone at Google will get promoted, so 'every cloud…'

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      @jaffathecake internet explorer from its grave.

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      • jaffathecake@mastodon.socialJ jaffathecake@mastodon.social

        @joshhunt if there is then they failed to show it. They posted a couple of links, including a survey about something else.

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        #26

        @jaffathecake @joshhunt it's like the XSLT situation in reverse

        Google: we want to drop XSLT support

        web developers: we really want you to keep XSLT and possibly upgrade support for v3 of the standard so we can use it with JSON too

        Google: OK, we've listened to everybody's opinion and nobody wants XSLT so we're dropping it.

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        • oblomov@sociale.networkO oblomov@sociale.network

          @jaffathecake @joshhunt it's like the XSLT situation in reverse

          Google: we want to drop XSLT support

          web developers: we really want you to keep XSLT and possibly upgrade support for v3 of the standard so we can use it with JSON too

          Google: OK, we've listened to everybody's opinion and nobody wants XSLT so we're dropping it.

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          @jaffathecake @joshhunt

          (and obviously Mozilla follows suit, because why are they there if not to suck up to the bully)

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          • yoasif@mastodon.socialY yoasif@mastodon.social

            @jaffathecake Sounds kind of like how #Mozilla pushed ahead with #AI even after your lying polls about the provenance of training data in translations and the multitude of negative comments here and on Mozilla Connect.

            Pretty good blind spot for Mozilla - you can only tell when things are bad when your competitors do it.

            Link Preview Image
            Firefox’s AI Kill Switch is a Trap: How Mozilla Made AI Your Problem

            TL;DR: Mozilla recently released AI controls for Firefox: a singlecontrol panel that lets people disable AI features in the browser or pick andchoose which t...

            favicon

            Youssuff Quips (www.quippd.com)

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            @yoasif @jaffathecake If the word ends in an s-like phoneme, you're supposed to eschew the s after the apostrophe.

            E.g. For Fox' sake! 😉

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            • platymew@layer8.spaceP platymew@layer8.space

              @yoasif @jaffathecake If the word ends in an s-like phoneme, you're supposed to eschew the s after the apostrophe.

              E.g. For Fox' sake! 😉

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              @platymew @jaffathecake MLA and Chicago Manual of Style agree with what I did, at least: https://grammarist.com/punctuation/apostrophe-after-s-rules-and-examples/

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              • jaffathecake@mastodon.socialJ jaffathecake@mastodon.social

                So, Chrome's "web standard" Prompt API:

                Mozilla: Opposed
                WebKit: Opposed
                Microsoft: Several concerns
                W3C TAG: Several concerns
                Developers: Mostly negative

                Chrome: Ships anyway.

                A sad time for web standards. But, I guess someone at Google will get promoted, so 'every cloud…'

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                #30

                @jaffathecake There's a serious question to be asked about whether an engine shipping things which the broader standards community is opposed to can still be considered a standards compliant browser.

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                • yoasif@mastodon.socialY yoasif@mastodon.social

                  @platymew @jaffathecake MLA and Chicago Manual of Style agree with what I did, at least: https://grammarist.com/punctuation/apostrophe-after-s-rules-and-examples/

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                  @yoasif @jaffathecake Ah, yes, the Bri'ish vs. 'murrican vs. Internet rules of englishing. 🖖😅👍

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                  • schouten_b@mastodon.socialS schouten_b@mastodon.social

                    @jaffathecake There's a serious question to be asked about whether an engine shipping things which the broader standards community is opposed to can still be considered a standards compliant browser.

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                    #32

                    @Schouten_B @jaffathecake Hasn't that happened before? Who else supported PNaCl?

                    I think that is kind of an academic question too, unfortunately - most developers seem to care less about whether something is a standard, and more about whether their userbase can access the feature.

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                    • yoasif@mastodon.socialY yoasif@mastodon.social

                      @Schouten_B @jaffathecake Hasn't that happened before? Who else supported PNaCl?

                      I think that is kind of an academic question too, unfortunately - most developers seem to care less about whether something is a standard, and more about whether their userbase can access the feature.

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                      @yoasif @jaffathecake Sure, I think the PNaCl objections were of a different, less fundamental nature, but yeah, this is a question I've asked myself more often.

                      And sure, humans fundamentally look out for number 1 first. You're not wrong, but some do care about standards, I've been considering blocking Chrome on my own sites. Since they aren't commercial anyway and I don't care if people won't switch browsers in order to access them 🙂.

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