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Today the European Commission is publishing the #PassengerPackage - legislation to fix railway ticketing

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  • funkylab@mastodon.socialF funkylab@mastodon.social

    @jon @tomtom this makes me a bit excited for what's to come!

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    @funkylab @tomtom Oh it's going to be radical, that much I can assure you. But it is also going to be unworkable, and that is my worry.

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    • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

      Overall my fear about #PassengerPackage is this: the Commission is going to propose something both radical and far reaching, but I fear also unworkable.

      Overall this morning: I’m nervous.

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      Live stream due to start at 11:45 when Transport Commissioner Tzitzikostas is due to present the proposals https://audiovisual.ec.europa.eu/en/ebs/grid?ebs=yes&ebsplus=yes&date=20260513 #PassengerPackage

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      • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

        @funkylab @tomtom Oh it's going to be radical, that much I can assure you. But it is also going to be unworkable, and that is my worry.

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        @jon
        I don't know much about the Commission, but sometimes a radical but unworkable strategy is set out in order to scare people towards a less radical but workable solution.
        @funkylab @tomtom

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        • notsoloud@expressional.socialN notsoloud@expressional.social

          @jon
          I don't know much about the Commission, but sometimes a radical but unworkable strategy is set out in order to scare people towards a less radical but workable solution.
          @funkylab @tomtom

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          @notsoloud That is my hope, yes. But I am not sure they really thought it that way here. @funkylab @tomtom

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          • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

            Live stream due to start at 11:45 when Transport Commissioner Tzitzikostas is due to present the proposals https://audiovisual.ec.europa.eu/en/ebs/grid?ebs=yes&ebsplus=yes&date=20260513 #PassengerPackage

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            I know two of the three legal texts of the #PassengerPackage will be numbered COM(2026) 231 and COM(2026) 232. The third one, I don't know.

            Just in case when - as is normal - the Commission bla bla comms page about the proposal goes live and then they don't link to the legal proposals, and you need to dig elsewhere.

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            • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

              @hans_zelf so press know what the Commissioner will say today, before he says it.

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              @jon At least the swedish article you linked is just a commenting article, it has no truths in it, just guesswork from the journalists side spiced up with some quotes from related people.

              Holding thumbs for something good that is workable.

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              • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                I know two of the three legal texts of the #PassengerPackage will be numbered COM(2026) 231 and COM(2026) 232. The third one, I don't know.

                Just in case when - as is normal - the Commission bla bla comms page about the proposal goes live and then they don't link to the legal proposals, and you need to dig elsewhere.

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                @jon@gruene.social the "One journey, one ticket" headline that's visible on the stream is certainly not inspiring confidence

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                • eq@mas.toE eq@mas.to

                  @jon At least the swedish article you linked is just a commenting article, it has no truths in it, just guesswork from the journalists side spiced up with some quotes from related people.

                  Holding thumbs for something good that is workable.

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                  @eq It's not guesswork. That journalist knows what's coming. Trust me, I have seen pieces from journalists that don't! I have the leaks too.

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                  • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                    I know two of the three legal texts of the #PassengerPackage will be numbered COM(2026) 231 and COM(2026) 232. The third one, I don't know.

                    Just in case when - as is normal - the Commission bla bla comms page about the proposal goes live and then they don't link to the legal proposals, and you need to dig elsewhere.

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                    "One journey, one ticket" #PassengerPackage

                    Yeah

                    But no https://jonworth.eu/one-ticket-or-more-than-one-ticket-for-my-international-train-trip-more-than-one-with-passenger-rights-is-the-simpler-solution/

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                    • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                      "One journey, one ticket" #PassengerPackage

                      Yeah

                      But no https://jonworth.eu/one-ticket-or-more-than-one-ticket-for-my-international-train-trip-more-than-one-with-passenger-rights-is-the-simpler-solution/

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                      OK here we go, press conference starting #PassengerPackage

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                      • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                        OK here we go, press conference starting #PassengerPackage

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                        Here's my take on the #PassengerPackage

                        "How the gospel - the Political Guidelines - left the European Commission with a ticketing proposal both radical and unworkable"

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                        How the gospel - the Political Guidelines - left the European Commission with a ticketing proposal both radical and unworkable

                        Ursula von der Leyen called her disciples, the Commissioners, to gather around. Holding up a bound edition of the Political Guidelines, she conferred a great responsibility onto each of them. Beckoning disciple for transport, Apostolos Tzitzikostas, towards her, she gave him his instructions: "cross-border train travel is still too difficult

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                        • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                          Here's my take on the #PassengerPackage

                          "How the gospel - the Political Guidelines - left the European Commission with a ticketing proposal both radical and unworkable"

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                          How the gospel - the Political Guidelines - left the European Commission with a ticketing proposal both radical and unworkable

                          Ursula von der Leyen called her disciples, the Commissioners, to gather around. Holding up a bound edition of the Political Guidelines, she conferred a great responsibility onto each of them. Beckoning disciple for transport, Apostolos Tzitzikostas, towards her, she gave him his instructions: "cross-border train travel is still too difficult

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                          @jon Heresy ! Heresy !

                          Would it be useful to email our representatives about the issues with the proposal and try to convince them to amend the proposal to multiple tickets pax rights ?

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                          • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                            Here's my take on the #PassengerPackage

                            "How the gospel - the Political Guidelines - left the European Commission with a ticketing proposal both radical and unworkable"

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                            How the gospel - the Political Guidelines - left the European Commission with a ticketing proposal both radical and unworkable

                            Ursula von der Leyen called her disciples, the Commissioners, to gather around. Holding up a bound edition of the Political Guidelines, she conferred a great responsibility onto each of them. Beckoning disciple for transport, Apostolos Tzitzikostas, towards her, she gave him his instructions: "cross-border train travel is still too difficult

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                            Jon Worth (jonworth.eu)

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                            Here are the documents: https://transport.ec.europa.eu/news-events/news/one-journey-one-ticket-full-rights-commission-simplifies-europe-wide-travel-booking-and-train-travel-2026-05-13_en #PassengerPackage

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                            • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                              Here are the documents: https://transport.ec.europa.eu/news-events/news/one-journey-one-ticket-full-rights-commission-simplifies-europe-wide-travel-booking-and-train-travel-2026-05-13_en #PassengerPackage

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                              "Our vision is very clear," says Tzitzikostas. "One journey, one ticket!"

                              If only it were to work like that 😀

                              #PassengerPackage

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                              • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                                "Our vision is very clear," says Tzitzikostas. "One journey, one ticket!"

                                If only it were to work like that 😀

                                #PassengerPackage

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                                Noooooooo, ah what he is saying is not what the Regulation says, not clearly anyway. #PassengerPackage

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                                • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                                  Noooooooo, ah what he is saying is not what the Regulation says, not clearly anyway. #PassengerPackage

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                                  NJOOOOOOAOOAOOAOOAOO #PassengerPackage

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                                  • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                                    NJOOOOOOAOOAOOAOOAOO #PassengerPackage

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                                    Ah this is such a mess #PassengerPackage

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                                      Ah this is such a mess #PassengerPackage

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                                      This is a mess #PassengerPackage

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                                      • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                                        This is a mess #PassengerPackage

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                                        This is not going to work. #PassengerPackage

                                        There is a SINGLE TRANSACTION obligation to get rights - see https://transport.ec.europa.eu/document/download/fc019827-59c9-400f-a530-4d7d21957a7d_en?filename=COM_2026_233_Proposal_on_the_protection_of_passengers_with_single_tickets.pdf

                                        BUT that means that IF you have some ticket already - a Klimaticket for example - and want to add something on to that, you are left without rights

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                                        • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                                          This is a mess #PassengerPackage

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                                          @jon Have you already found a part in which is written that a OSDM purchase might not necessarily considered as a single commercial transaction?

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