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Today the European Commission is publishing the #PassengerPackage - legislation to fix railway ticketing

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  • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

    Overall my fear about #PassengerPackage is this: the Commission is going to propose something both radical and far reaching, but I fear also unworkable.

    Overall this morning: I’m nervous.

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    @jon well usually the European commission tends to do the opposite: grand public claims but in practice a legal text that is very weak as it tried to take into account all the complexities and the historic difficulties into account.

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    • tomtom@pouet.chapril.orgT tomtom@pouet.chapril.org

      @jon well usually the European commission tends to do the opposite: grand public claims but in practice a legal text that is very weak as it tried to take into account all the complexities and the historic difficulties into account.

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      @tomtom Yes. But not this time. Really.

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      • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

        Some Dutch and Swedish media have been… well, let’s say, not entirely respectful of an embargo and have already hit published #PassengerPackage

        NOS 🇳🇱 https://nos.nl/l/2614072

        DN 🇸🇪 https://www.dn.se/varlden/sigrid-melchior-ar-det-en-revolution-pa-gang-for-tagresenarer-i-europa/

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        @jon What's the purpose of an embargo on cases like this? 🤔

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        • hans_zelf@mas.toH hans_zelf@mas.to

          @jon What's the purpose of an embargo on cases like this? 🤔

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          @hans_zelf so press know what the Commissioner will say today, before he says it.

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          • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

            @hans_zelf so press know what the Commissioner will say today, before he says it.

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            @jon Ah, I thought the plan was already presented to the commission.

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            • hans_zelf@mas.toH hans_zelf@mas.to

              @jon Ah, I thought the plan was already presented to the commission.

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              @hans_zelf No. Lunchtime today. I only have odds and ends leaked so far.

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              • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                @tomtom Yes. But not this time. Really.

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                @jon @tomtom which of the national governments are the driving force behind radical change? It feels like we have some influential govs that don't like to spend on their state rail (Deutsche Bahn), and some that really never wantes to make it easy for people to buy tickets (SNCF), and some that really try to avoid playing nicely with their neighbors. I do get why you're nervous, just surprised improvements in cross-border ticketing are actually happening!

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                • funkylab@mastodon.socialF funkylab@mastodon.social

                  @jon @tomtom which of the national governments are the driving force behind radical change? It feels like we have some influential govs that don't like to spend on their state rail (Deutsche Bahn), and some that really never wantes to make it easy for people to buy tickets (SNCF), and some that really try to avoid playing nicely with their neighbors. I do get why you're nervous, just surprised improvements in cross-border ticketing are actually happening!

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                  @funkylab @tomtom There is a broad consensus for change, overall - we want to make cross border rail travel easier. The starting point for the reform was the previous German government actually, who pushed von der Leyen on this point. But when it comes to the details, the Member States are all over the place, and each have their own problems.

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                  • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                    @funkylab @tomtom There is a broad consensus for change, overall - we want to make cross border rail travel easier. The starting point for the reform was the previous German government actually, who pushed von der Leyen on this point. But when it comes to the details, the Member States are all over the place, and each have their own problems.

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                    @jon @tomtom this makes me a bit excited for what's to come!

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                    • funkylab@mastodon.socialF funkylab@mastodon.social

                      @jon @tomtom this makes me a bit excited for what's to come!

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                      @funkylab @tomtom Oh it's going to be radical, that much I can assure you. But it is also going to be unworkable, and that is my worry.

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                      • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                        Overall my fear about #PassengerPackage is this: the Commission is going to propose something both radical and far reaching, but I fear also unworkable.

                        Overall this morning: I’m nervous.

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                        Live stream due to start at 11:45 when Transport Commissioner Tzitzikostas is due to present the proposals https://audiovisual.ec.europa.eu/en/ebs/grid?ebs=yes&ebsplus=yes&date=20260513 #PassengerPackage

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                        • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                          @funkylab @tomtom Oh it's going to be radical, that much I can assure you. But it is also going to be unworkable, and that is my worry.

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                          @jon
                          I don't know much about the Commission, but sometimes a radical but unworkable strategy is set out in order to scare people towards a less radical but workable solution.
                          @funkylab @tomtom

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                          • notsoloud@expressional.socialN notsoloud@expressional.social

                            @jon
                            I don't know much about the Commission, but sometimes a radical but unworkable strategy is set out in order to scare people towards a less radical but workable solution.
                            @funkylab @tomtom

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                            @notsoloud That is my hope, yes. But I am not sure they really thought it that way here. @funkylab @tomtom

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                            • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                              Live stream due to start at 11:45 when Transport Commissioner Tzitzikostas is due to present the proposals https://audiovisual.ec.europa.eu/en/ebs/grid?ebs=yes&ebsplus=yes&date=20260513 #PassengerPackage

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                              I know two of the three legal texts of the #PassengerPackage will be numbered COM(2026) 231 and COM(2026) 232. The third one, I don't know.

                              Just in case when - as is normal - the Commission bla bla comms page about the proposal goes live and then they don't link to the legal proposals, and you need to dig elsewhere.

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                              • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                                @hans_zelf so press know what the Commissioner will say today, before he says it.

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                                @jon At least the swedish article you linked is just a commenting article, it has no truths in it, just guesswork from the journalists side spiced up with some quotes from related people.

                                Holding thumbs for something good that is workable.

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                                • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                                  I know two of the three legal texts of the #PassengerPackage will be numbered COM(2026) 231 and COM(2026) 232. The third one, I don't know.

                                  Just in case when - as is normal - the Commission bla bla comms page about the proposal goes live and then they don't link to the legal proposals, and you need to dig elsewhere.

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                                  @jon@gruene.social the "One journey, one ticket" headline that's visible on the stream is certainly not inspiring confidence

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                                  • eq@mas.toE eq@mas.to

                                    @jon At least the swedish article you linked is just a commenting article, it has no truths in it, just guesswork from the journalists side spiced up with some quotes from related people.

                                    Holding thumbs for something good that is workable.

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                                    @eq It's not guesswork. That journalist knows what's coming. Trust me, I have seen pieces from journalists that don't! I have the leaks too.

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                                    • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                                      I know two of the three legal texts of the #PassengerPackage will be numbered COM(2026) 231 and COM(2026) 232. The third one, I don't know.

                                      Just in case when - as is normal - the Commission bla bla comms page about the proposal goes live and then they don't link to the legal proposals, and you need to dig elsewhere.

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                                      "One journey, one ticket" #PassengerPackage

                                      Yeah

                                      But no https://jonworth.eu/one-ticket-or-more-than-one-ticket-for-my-international-train-trip-more-than-one-with-passenger-rights-is-the-simpler-solution/

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                                      • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                                        "One journey, one ticket" #PassengerPackage

                                        Yeah

                                        But no https://jonworth.eu/one-ticket-or-more-than-one-ticket-for-my-international-train-trip-more-than-one-with-passenger-rights-is-the-simpler-solution/

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                                        OK here we go, press conference starting #PassengerPackage

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                                        • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                                          OK here we go, press conference starting #PassengerPackage

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                                          Here's my take on the #PassengerPackage

                                          "How the gospel - the Political Guidelines - left the European Commission with a ticketing proposal both radical and unworkable"

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                                          How the gospel - the Political Guidelines - left the European Commission with a ticketing proposal both radical and unworkable

                                          Ursula von der Leyen called her disciples, the Commissioners, to gather around. Holding up a bound edition of the Political Guidelines, she conferred a great responsibility onto each of them. Beckoning disciple for transport, Apostolos Tzitzikostas, towards her, she gave him his instructions: "cross-border train travel is still too difficult

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