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Today the European Commission is publishing the #PassengerPackage - legislation to fix railway ticketing

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  • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

    @tomtom Yes. But not this time. Really.

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    #10

    @jon @tomtom which of the national governments are the driving force behind radical change? It feels like we have some influential govs that don't like to spend on their state rail (Deutsche Bahn), and some that really never wantes to make it easy for people to buy tickets (SNCF), and some that really try to avoid playing nicely with their neighbors. I do get why you're nervous, just surprised improvements in cross-border ticketing are actually happening!

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    • funkylab@mastodon.socialF funkylab@mastodon.social

      @jon @tomtom which of the national governments are the driving force behind radical change? It feels like we have some influential govs that don't like to spend on their state rail (Deutsche Bahn), and some that really never wantes to make it easy for people to buy tickets (SNCF), and some that really try to avoid playing nicely with their neighbors. I do get why you're nervous, just surprised improvements in cross-border ticketing are actually happening!

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      @funkylab @tomtom There is a broad consensus for change, overall - we want to make cross border rail travel easier. The starting point for the reform was the previous German government actually, who pushed von der Leyen on this point. But when it comes to the details, the Member States are all over the place, and each have their own problems.

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      • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

        @funkylab @tomtom There is a broad consensus for change, overall - we want to make cross border rail travel easier. The starting point for the reform was the previous German government actually, who pushed von der Leyen on this point. But when it comes to the details, the Member States are all over the place, and each have their own problems.

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        #12

        @jon @tomtom this makes me a bit excited for what's to come!

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        • funkylab@mastodon.socialF funkylab@mastodon.social

          @jon @tomtom this makes me a bit excited for what's to come!

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          @funkylab @tomtom Oh it's going to be radical, that much I can assure you. But it is also going to be unworkable, and that is my worry.

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          • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

            Overall my fear about #PassengerPackage is this: the Commission is going to propose something both radical and far reaching, but I fear also unworkable.

            Overall this morning: I’m nervous.

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            #14

            Live stream due to start at 11:45 when Transport Commissioner Tzitzikostas is due to present the proposals https://audiovisual.ec.europa.eu/en/ebs/grid?ebs=yes&ebsplus=yes&date=20260513 #PassengerPackage

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            • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

              @funkylab @tomtom Oh it's going to be radical, that much I can assure you. But it is also going to be unworkable, and that is my worry.

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              @jon
              I don't know much about the Commission, but sometimes a radical but unworkable strategy is set out in order to scare people towards a less radical but workable solution.
              @funkylab @tomtom

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              • notsoloud@expressional.socialN notsoloud@expressional.social

                @jon
                I don't know much about the Commission, but sometimes a radical but unworkable strategy is set out in order to scare people towards a less radical but workable solution.
                @funkylab @tomtom

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                @notsoloud That is my hope, yes. But I am not sure they really thought it that way here. @funkylab @tomtom

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                • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                  Live stream due to start at 11:45 when Transport Commissioner Tzitzikostas is due to present the proposals https://audiovisual.ec.europa.eu/en/ebs/grid?ebs=yes&ebsplus=yes&date=20260513 #PassengerPackage

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                  #17

                  I know two of the three legal texts of the #PassengerPackage will be numbered COM(2026) 231 and COM(2026) 232. The third one, I don't know.

                  Just in case when - as is normal - the Commission bla bla comms page about the proposal goes live and then they don't link to the legal proposals, and you need to dig elsewhere.

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                  • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                    @hans_zelf so press know what the Commissioner will say today, before he says it.

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                    @jon At least the swedish article you linked is just a commenting article, it has no truths in it, just guesswork from the journalists side spiced up with some quotes from related people.

                    Holding thumbs for something good that is workable.

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                    • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                      I know two of the three legal texts of the #PassengerPackage will be numbered COM(2026) 231 and COM(2026) 232. The third one, I don't know.

                      Just in case when - as is normal - the Commission bla bla comms page about the proposal goes live and then they don't link to the legal proposals, and you need to dig elsewhere.

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                      @jon@gruene.social the "One journey, one ticket" headline that's visible on the stream is certainly not inspiring confidence

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                      • eq@mas.toE eq@mas.to

                        @jon At least the swedish article you linked is just a commenting article, it has no truths in it, just guesswork from the journalists side spiced up with some quotes from related people.

                        Holding thumbs for something good that is workable.

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                        @eq It's not guesswork. That journalist knows what's coming. Trust me, I have seen pieces from journalists that don't! I have the leaks too.

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                        • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                          I know two of the three legal texts of the #PassengerPackage will be numbered COM(2026) 231 and COM(2026) 232. The third one, I don't know.

                          Just in case when - as is normal - the Commission bla bla comms page about the proposal goes live and then they don't link to the legal proposals, and you need to dig elsewhere.

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                          #21

                          "One journey, one ticket" #PassengerPackage

                          Yeah

                          But no https://jonworth.eu/one-ticket-or-more-than-one-ticket-for-my-international-train-trip-more-than-one-with-passenger-rights-is-the-simpler-solution/

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                          • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                            "One journey, one ticket" #PassengerPackage

                            Yeah

                            But no https://jonworth.eu/one-ticket-or-more-than-one-ticket-for-my-international-train-trip-more-than-one-with-passenger-rights-is-the-simpler-solution/

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                            OK here we go, press conference starting #PassengerPackage

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                            • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                              OK here we go, press conference starting #PassengerPackage

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                              #23

                              Here's my take on the #PassengerPackage

                              "How the gospel - the Political Guidelines - left the European Commission with a ticketing proposal both radical and unworkable"

                              https://jonworth.eu/how-the-gospel-the-political-guidelines-left-the-european-commission-with-a-ticketing-proposal-both-radical-and-unworkable/

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                              • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                                Here's my take on the #PassengerPackage

                                "How the gospel - the Political Guidelines - left the European Commission with a ticketing proposal both radical and unworkable"

                                https://jonworth.eu/how-the-gospel-the-political-guidelines-left-the-european-commission-with-a-ticketing-proposal-both-radical-and-unworkable/

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                                @jon Heresy ! Heresy !

                                Would it be useful to email our representatives about the issues with the proposal and try to convince them to amend the proposal to multiple tickets pax rights ?

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                                • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                                  Here's my take on the #PassengerPackage

                                  "How the gospel - the Political Guidelines - left the European Commission with a ticketing proposal both radical and unworkable"

                                  https://jonworth.eu/how-the-gospel-the-political-guidelines-left-the-european-commission-with-a-ticketing-proposal-both-radical-and-unworkable/

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                                  Here are the documents: https://transport.ec.europa.eu/news-events/news/one-journey-one-ticket-full-rights-commission-simplifies-europe-wide-travel-booking-and-train-travel-2026-05-13_en #PassengerPackage

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                                  • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                                    Here are the documents: https://transport.ec.europa.eu/news-events/news/one-journey-one-ticket-full-rights-commission-simplifies-europe-wide-travel-booking-and-train-travel-2026-05-13_en #PassengerPackage

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                                    #26

                                    "Our vision is very clear," says Tzitzikostas. "One journey, one ticket!"

                                    If only it were to work like that 😀

                                    #PassengerPackage

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                                    • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                                      "Our vision is very clear," says Tzitzikostas. "One journey, one ticket!"

                                      If only it were to work like that 😀

                                      #PassengerPackage

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                                      #27

                                      Noooooooo, ah what he is saying is not what the Regulation says, not clearly anyway. #PassengerPackage

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                                      • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                                        Noooooooo, ah what he is saying is not what the Regulation says, not clearly anyway. #PassengerPackage

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                                        #28

                                        NJOOOOOOAOOAOOAOOAOO #PassengerPackage

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                                        • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                                          NJOOOOOOAOOAOOAOOAOO #PassengerPackage

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                                          #29

                                          Ah this is such a mess #PassengerPackage

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