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Today the European Commission is publishing the #PassengerPackage - legislation to fix railway ticketing

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  • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

    "One journey, one ticket" #PassengerPackage

    Yeah

    But no https://jonworth.eu/one-ticket-or-more-than-one-ticket-for-my-international-train-trip-more-than-one-with-passenger-rights-is-the-simpler-solution/

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    OK here we go, press conference starting #PassengerPackage

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      OK here we go, press conference starting #PassengerPackage

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      Here's my take on the #PassengerPackage

      "How the gospel - the Political Guidelines - left the European Commission with a ticketing proposal both radical and unworkable"

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      How the gospel - the Political Guidelines - left the European Commission with a ticketing proposal both radical and unworkable

      Ursula von der Leyen called her disciples, the Commissioners, to gather around. Holding up a bound edition of the Political Guidelines, she conferred a great responsibility onto each of them. Beckoning disciple for transport, Apostolos Tzitzikostas, towards her, she gave him his instructions: "cross-border train travel is still too difficult

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      • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

        Here's my take on the #PassengerPackage

        "How the gospel - the Political Guidelines - left the European Commission with a ticketing proposal both radical and unworkable"

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        How the gospel - the Political Guidelines - left the European Commission with a ticketing proposal both radical and unworkable

        Ursula von der Leyen called her disciples, the Commissioners, to gather around. Holding up a bound edition of the Political Guidelines, she conferred a great responsibility onto each of them. Beckoning disciple for transport, Apostolos Tzitzikostas, towards her, she gave him his instructions: "cross-border train travel is still too difficult

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        @jon Heresy ! Heresy !

        Would it be useful to email our representatives about the issues with the proposal and try to convince them to amend the proposal to multiple tickets pax rights ?

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        • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

          Here's my take on the #PassengerPackage

          "How the gospel - the Political Guidelines - left the European Commission with a ticketing proposal both radical and unworkable"

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          How the gospel - the Political Guidelines - left the European Commission with a ticketing proposal both radical and unworkable

          Ursula von der Leyen called her disciples, the Commissioners, to gather around. Holding up a bound edition of the Political Guidelines, she conferred a great responsibility onto each of them. Beckoning disciple for transport, Apostolos Tzitzikostas, towards her, she gave him his instructions: "cross-border train travel is still too difficult

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          Jon Worth (jonworth.eu)

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          Here are the documents: https://transport.ec.europa.eu/news-events/news/one-journey-one-ticket-full-rights-commission-simplifies-europe-wide-travel-booking-and-train-travel-2026-05-13_en #PassengerPackage

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          • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

            Here are the documents: https://transport.ec.europa.eu/news-events/news/one-journey-one-ticket-full-rights-commission-simplifies-europe-wide-travel-booking-and-train-travel-2026-05-13_en #PassengerPackage

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            "Our vision is very clear," says Tzitzikostas. "One journey, one ticket!"

            If only it were to work like that 😀

            #PassengerPackage

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            • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

              "Our vision is very clear," says Tzitzikostas. "One journey, one ticket!"

              If only it were to work like that 😀

              #PassengerPackage

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              Noooooooo, ah what he is saying is not what the Regulation says, not clearly anyway. #PassengerPackage

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              • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                Noooooooo, ah what he is saying is not what the Regulation says, not clearly anyway. #PassengerPackage

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                NJOOOOOOAOOAOOAOOAOO #PassengerPackage

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                • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                  NJOOOOOOAOOAOOAOOAOO #PassengerPackage

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                  Ah this is such a mess #PassengerPackage

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                  • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                    Ah this is such a mess #PassengerPackage

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                    This is a mess #PassengerPackage

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                    • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                      This is a mess #PassengerPackage

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                      This is not going to work. #PassengerPackage

                      There is a SINGLE TRANSACTION obligation to get rights - see https://transport.ec.europa.eu/document/download/fc019827-59c9-400f-a530-4d7d21957a7d_en?filename=COM_2026_233_Proposal_on_the_protection_of_passengers_with_single_tickets.pdf

                      BUT that means that IF you have some ticket already - a Klimaticket for example - and want to add something on to that, you are left without rights

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                      • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                        This is a mess #PassengerPackage

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                        @jon Have you already found a part in which is written that a OSDM purchase might not necessarily considered as a single commercial transaction?

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                        • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                          This is not going to work. #PassengerPackage

                          There is a SINGLE TRANSACTION obligation to get rights - see https://transport.ec.europa.eu/document/download/fc019827-59c9-400f-a530-4d7d21957a7d_en?filename=COM_2026_233_Proposal_on_the_protection_of_passengers_with_single_tickets.pdf

                          BUT that means that IF you have some ticket already - a Klimaticket for example - and want to add something on to that, you are left without rights

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                          Basically in this #PassengerPackage the Commission seems to have in mind someone who takes a train once a year on holiday, not people who ever do this even semi regularly.

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                          • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                            This is not going to work. #PassengerPackage

                            There is a SINGLE TRANSACTION obligation to get rights - see https://transport.ec.europa.eu/document/download/fc019827-59c9-400f-a530-4d7d21957a7d_en?filename=COM_2026_233_Proposal_on_the_protection_of_passengers_with_single_tickets.pdf

                            BUT that means that IF you have some ticket already - a Klimaticket for example - and want to add something on to that, you are left without rights

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                            @jon Couldn't you just have a 0-cost ticket as part of the full through ticket?

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                            • wrzlbrnft@troet.cafeW wrzlbrnft@troet.cafe

                              @jon Have you already found a part in which is written that a OSDM purchase might not necessarily considered as a single commercial transaction?

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                              @wrzlbrnft I think one purchase transaction, purchasing multiple tickets via OSDM, is *included* and covered.

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                              • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                                Basically in this #PassengerPackage the Commission seems to have in mind someone who takes a train once a year on holiday, not people who ever do this even semi regularly.

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                                We're now talking about airlines in the press conference 🤷‍♂️ #PassengerPackage

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                                • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                                  Basically in this #PassengerPackage the Commission seems to have in mind someone who takes a train once a year on holiday, not people who ever do this even semi regularly.

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                                  @jon SNCF is going to find a loophole to just make it impossible to use the "one ticketing transaction" for their trains nevertheless.

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                                  • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                                    We're now talking about airlines in the press conference 🤷‍♂️ #PassengerPackage

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                                    This is a total dog's dinner #PassengerPackage

                                    Regulation PDF: https://transport.ec.europa.eu/document/download/a3284ec0-f1ad-4ee4-a558-5d4c17948046_en?filename=COM_2026_232_Proposal_on_rail_ticketing.pdf

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                                    • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                                      We're now talking about airlines in the press conference 🤷‍♂️ #PassengerPackage

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                                      @jon If they really want to go this way, they should include long-distance buses too.

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                                      • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                                        This is a total dog's dinner #PassengerPackage

                                        Regulation PDF: https://transport.ec.europa.eu/document/download/a3284ec0-f1ad-4ee4-a558-5d4c17948046_en?filename=COM_2026_232_Proposal_on_rail_ticketing.pdf

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                                        @jon@gruene.social five months? Good luck getting that through lol

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                                        • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                                          This is a total dog's dinner #PassengerPackage

                                          Regulation PDF: https://transport.ec.europa.eu/document/download/a3284ec0-f1ad-4ee4-a558-5d4c17948046_en?filename=COM_2026_232_Proposal_on_rail_ticketing.pdf

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                                          Reminder: this is just the Commission proposal for the #PassengerPackage

                                          It has to go to the EP and the Council from here

                                          There is ZERO CHANCE it's going to not going to be amended!

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