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Today the European Commission is publishing the #PassengerPackage - legislation to fix railway ticketing

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  • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

    Ah this is such a mess #PassengerPackage

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    This is a mess #PassengerPackage

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    • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

      This is a mess #PassengerPackage

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      #31

      This is not going to work. #PassengerPackage

      There is a SINGLE TRANSACTION obligation to get rights - see https://transport.ec.europa.eu/document/download/fc019827-59c9-400f-a530-4d7d21957a7d_en?filename=COM_2026_233_Proposal_on_the_protection_of_passengers_with_single_tickets.pdf

      BUT that means that IF you have some ticket already - a Klimaticket for example - and want to add something on to that, you are left without rights

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      • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

        This is a mess #PassengerPackage

        wrzlbrnft@troet.cafeW This user is from outside of this forum
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        @jon Have you already found a part in which is written that a OSDM purchase might not necessarily considered as a single commercial transaction?

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        • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

          This is not going to work. #PassengerPackage

          There is a SINGLE TRANSACTION obligation to get rights - see https://transport.ec.europa.eu/document/download/fc019827-59c9-400f-a530-4d7d21957a7d_en?filename=COM_2026_233_Proposal_on_the_protection_of_passengers_with_single_tickets.pdf

          BUT that means that IF you have some ticket already - a Klimaticket for example - and want to add something on to that, you are left without rights

          jon@gruene.socialJ This user is from outside of this forum
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          #33

          Basically in this #PassengerPackage the Commission seems to have in mind someone who takes a train once a year on holiday, not people who ever do this even semi regularly.

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          • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

            This is not going to work. #PassengerPackage

            There is a SINGLE TRANSACTION obligation to get rights - see https://transport.ec.europa.eu/document/download/fc019827-59c9-400f-a530-4d7d21957a7d_en?filename=COM_2026_233_Proposal_on_the_protection_of_passengers_with_single_tickets.pdf

            BUT that means that IF you have some ticket already - a Klimaticket for example - and want to add something on to that, you are left without rights

            pettter@social.accum.seP This user is from outside of this forum
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            #34

            @jon Couldn't you just have a 0-cost ticket as part of the full through ticket?

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            • wrzlbrnft@troet.cafeW wrzlbrnft@troet.cafe

              @jon Have you already found a part in which is written that a OSDM purchase might not necessarily considered as a single commercial transaction?

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              @wrzlbrnft I think one purchase transaction, purchasing multiple tickets via OSDM, is *included* and covered.

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              • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                Basically in this #PassengerPackage the Commission seems to have in mind someone who takes a train once a year on holiday, not people who ever do this even semi regularly.

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                #36

                We're now talking about airlines in the press conference 🤷‍♂️ #PassengerPackage

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                • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                  Basically in this #PassengerPackage the Commission seems to have in mind someone who takes a train once a year on holiday, not people who ever do this even semi regularly.

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                  @jon SNCF is going to find a loophole to just make it impossible to use the "one ticketing transaction" for their trains nevertheless.

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                  • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                    We're now talking about airlines in the press conference 🤷‍♂️ #PassengerPackage

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                    #38

                    This is a total dog's dinner #PassengerPackage

                    Regulation PDF: https://transport.ec.europa.eu/document/download/a3284ec0-f1ad-4ee4-a558-5d4c17948046_en?filename=COM_2026_232_Proposal_on_rail_ticketing.pdf

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                    • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                      We're now talking about airlines in the press conference 🤷‍♂️ #PassengerPackage

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                      @jon If they really want to go this way, they should include long-distance buses too.

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                      • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                        This is a total dog's dinner #PassengerPackage

                        Regulation PDF: https://transport.ec.europa.eu/document/download/a3284ec0-f1ad-4ee4-a558-5d4c17948046_en?filename=COM_2026_232_Proposal_on_rail_ticketing.pdf

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                        @jon@gruene.social five months? Good luck getting that through lol

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                        • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                          This is a total dog's dinner #PassengerPackage

                          Regulation PDF: https://transport.ec.europa.eu/document/download/a3284ec0-f1ad-4ee4-a558-5d4c17948046_en?filename=COM_2026_232_Proposal_on_rail_ticketing.pdf

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                          #41

                          Reminder: this is just the Commission proposal for the #PassengerPackage

                          It has to go to the EP and the Council from here

                          There is ZERO CHANCE it's going to not going to be amended!

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                          • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                            Reminder: this is just the Commission proposal for the #PassengerPackage

                            It has to go to the EP and the Council from here

                            There is ZERO CHANCE it's going to not going to be amended!

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                            @jon@gruene.social "no additional technical burdens" lololololol

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                            • wrzlbrnft@troet.cafeW wrzlbrnft@troet.cafe

                              @jon If they really want to go this way, they should include long-distance buses too.

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                              @wrzlbrnft That might be part covered in the third part of the package (on MDMS)

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                              • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                                Reminder: this is just the Commission proposal for the #PassengerPackage

                                It has to go to the EP and the Council from here

                                There is ZERO CHANCE it's going to not going to be amended!

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                                "This proposal is 100% pragmatic" says Tzitzikostas. WTF? No! #PassengerPackage

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                                • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                                  "This proposal is 100% pragmatic" says Tzitzikostas. WTF? No! #PassengerPackage

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                                  Screaming. Screaming! NOOOOO #PassengerPackage

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                                  • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                                    This is not going to work. #PassengerPackage

                                    There is a SINGLE TRANSACTION obligation to get rights - see https://transport.ec.europa.eu/document/download/fc019827-59c9-400f-a530-4d7d21957a7d_en?filename=COM_2026_233_Proposal_on_the_protection_of_passengers_with_single_tickets.pdf

                                    BUT that means that IF you have some ticket already - a Klimaticket for example - and want to add something on to that, you are left without rights

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                                    @jon Or if you get stuck somewhere & unexpectedly have to buy a ticket say on a different service.

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