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Today the European Commission is publishing the #PassengerPackage - legislation to fix railway ticketing

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  • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

    This is a mess #PassengerPackage

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    @jon Have you already found a part in which is written that a OSDM purchase might not necessarily considered as a single commercial transaction?

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    • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

      This is not going to work. #PassengerPackage

      There is a SINGLE TRANSACTION obligation to get rights - see https://transport.ec.europa.eu/document/download/fc019827-59c9-400f-a530-4d7d21957a7d_en?filename=COM_2026_233_Proposal_on_the_protection_of_passengers_with_single_tickets.pdf

      BUT that means that IF you have some ticket already - a Klimaticket for example - and want to add something on to that, you are left without rights

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      Basically in this #PassengerPackage the Commission seems to have in mind someone who takes a train once a year on holiday, not people who ever do this even semi regularly.

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      • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

        This is not going to work. #PassengerPackage

        There is a SINGLE TRANSACTION obligation to get rights - see https://transport.ec.europa.eu/document/download/fc019827-59c9-400f-a530-4d7d21957a7d_en?filename=COM_2026_233_Proposal_on_the_protection_of_passengers_with_single_tickets.pdf

        BUT that means that IF you have some ticket already - a Klimaticket for example - and want to add something on to that, you are left without rights

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        @jon Couldn't you just have a 0-cost ticket as part of the full through ticket?

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        • wrzlbrnft@troet.cafeW wrzlbrnft@troet.cafe

          @jon Have you already found a part in which is written that a OSDM purchase might not necessarily considered as a single commercial transaction?

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          @wrzlbrnft I think one purchase transaction, purchasing multiple tickets via OSDM, is *included* and covered.

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          • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

            Basically in this #PassengerPackage the Commission seems to have in mind someone who takes a train once a year on holiday, not people who ever do this even semi regularly.

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            We're now talking about airlines in the press conference 🤷‍♂️ #PassengerPackage

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            • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

              Basically in this #PassengerPackage the Commission seems to have in mind someone who takes a train once a year on holiday, not people who ever do this even semi regularly.

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              @jon SNCF is going to find a loophole to just make it impossible to use the "one ticketing transaction" for their trains nevertheless.

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              • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                We're now talking about airlines in the press conference 🤷‍♂️ #PassengerPackage

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                This is a total dog's dinner #PassengerPackage

                Regulation PDF: https://transport.ec.europa.eu/document/download/a3284ec0-f1ad-4ee4-a558-5d4c17948046_en?filename=COM_2026_232_Proposal_on_rail_ticketing.pdf

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                • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                  We're now talking about airlines in the press conference 🤷‍♂️ #PassengerPackage

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                  @jon If they really want to go this way, they should include long-distance buses too.

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                  • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                    This is a total dog's dinner #PassengerPackage

                    Regulation PDF: https://transport.ec.europa.eu/document/download/a3284ec0-f1ad-4ee4-a558-5d4c17948046_en?filename=COM_2026_232_Proposal_on_rail_ticketing.pdf

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                    @jon@gruene.social five months? Good luck getting that through lol

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                    • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                      This is a total dog's dinner #PassengerPackage

                      Regulation PDF: https://transport.ec.europa.eu/document/download/a3284ec0-f1ad-4ee4-a558-5d4c17948046_en?filename=COM_2026_232_Proposal_on_rail_ticketing.pdf

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                      Reminder: this is just the Commission proposal for the #PassengerPackage

                      It has to go to the EP and the Council from here

                      There is ZERO CHANCE it's going to not going to be amended!

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                      • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                        Reminder: this is just the Commission proposal for the #PassengerPackage

                        It has to go to the EP and the Council from here

                        There is ZERO CHANCE it's going to not going to be amended!

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                        @jon@gruene.social "no additional technical burdens" lololololol

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                        • wrzlbrnft@troet.cafeW wrzlbrnft@troet.cafe

                          @jon If they really want to go this way, they should include long-distance buses too.

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                          @wrzlbrnft That might be part covered in the third part of the package (on MDMS)

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                          • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                            Reminder: this is just the Commission proposal for the #PassengerPackage

                            It has to go to the EP and the Council from here

                            There is ZERO CHANCE it's going to not going to be amended!

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                            "This proposal is 100% pragmatic" says Tzitzikostas. WTF? No! #PassengerPackage

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                            • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                              "This proposal is 100% pragmatic" says Tzitzikostas. WTF? No! #PassengerPackage

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                              Screaming. Screaming! NOOOOO #PassengerPackage

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                              • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                                This is not going to work. #PassengerPackage

                                There is a SINGLE TRANSACTION obligation to get rights - see https://transport.ec.europa.eu/document/download/fc019827-59c9-400f-a530-4d7d21957a7d_en?filename=COM_2026_233_Proposal_on_the_protection_of_passengers_with_single_tickets.pdf

                                BUT that means that IF you have some ticket already - a Klimaticket for example - and want to add something on to that, you are left without rights

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                                @jon Or if you get stuck somewhere & unexpectedly have to buy a ticket say on a different service.

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