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Can web developers stop fucking with scroll bars please?

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  • ariarhythmic@ohai.socialA ariarhythmic@ohai.social

    @TerrorBite @tj horrendous UX

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    @TerrorBite @tj it doesn't even look good.

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    • T tanavit@toot.aquilenet.fr

      @kagan

      Thanks.

      Is there a way to circumvent these stupidities and allow the browser to present a scrollbar when needed ?

      @tj

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      @tanavit @kagan @tj
      There are browser extensions, but they mostly require specific code per web site, so not a universal solution.

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      • T tanavit@toot.aquilenet.fr

        @tj

        Is not the scrollbar a feature of the browser, not the server ?

        Serious question.

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        @tanavit @tj
        The real one, yes.

        But you can set an area of the page to overflow: hidden, meaning that if there is too much content to fit, don't display the excess - which is useful on fixed size boxes because otherwise the content overlaps with other content.

        But that also means that you can hide the browser scrollbar and replace it with a slow broken one written in javascript.

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        • tj@howse.socialT tj@howse.social

          Can web developers stop fucking with scroll bars please? No website is so beautiful that it justifies losing the ability to see how far the page scrolls down. I don't give two shits about your design vision.

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          @tj Preach it.

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          • argv_minus_one@mastodon.sdf.orgA argv_minus_one@mastodon.sdf.org

            @tj

            Some websites now display a horizontal progress bar across the top of the viewport, which fills up as you scroll down the page, exactly like a scroll bar.

            Instead of just showing a scroll bar.

            Madness. Absolute madness.

            #webdev

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            #37

            @argv_minus_one @tj Mobile phones usually dont display the scroll bar. That's a mobile phone design pattern leaking on the desktop.

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            • terrorbite@meow.socialT terrorbite@meow.social

              @tj when you're scrolling down, and suddenly the page stops scrolling and the scroll is controlling some kind of animation instead

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              @TerrorBite @tj firts time I saw that was on the Apple website I guess

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              • tj@howse.socialT tj@howse.social

                Can web developers stop fucking with scroll bars please? No website is so beautiful that it justifies losing the ability to see how far the page scrolls down. I don't give two shits about your design vision.

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                @tj Meanwhile, web developers: “Why is the livestock we’re trying to farm for its data talking? John, did you know they could talk?”

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                • tj@howse.socialT tj@howse.social

                  Can web developers stop fucking with scroll bars please? No website is so beautiful that it justifies losing the ability to see how far the page scrolls down. I don't give two shits about your design vision.

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                  @tj but, you would lose interest in our sales pitch if you knew how long it was!

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                  • tj@howse.socialT tj@howse.social

                    Can web developers stop fucking with scroll bars please? No website is so beautiful that it justifies losing the ability to see how far the page scrolls down. I don't give two shits about your design vision.

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                    @tj Hate it. Seems like it also might be an accessibility minefield.

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                    • tj@howse.socialT tj@howse.social

                      Can web developers stop fucking with scroll bars please? No website is so beautiful that it justifies losing the ability to see how far the page scrolls down. I don't give two shits about your design vision.

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                      @tj

                      Can •all• the developers stop fucking with the scroll bars please? Same same—your design vision isn't worth a piss if I can't •use• it.

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                      • lukeharby@infosec.exchangeL lukeharby@infosec.exchange

                        @tj Hate it. Seems like it also might be an accessibility minefield.

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                        @lukeharby @tj

                        s/might be/is/

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                        • tj@howse.socialT tj@howse.social

                          Can web developers stop fucking with scroll bars please? No website is so beautiful that it justifies losing the ability to see how far the page scrolls down. I don't give two shits about your design vision.

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                          @tj Here on MacOS the scroll bars only appears when needed, i.e. while scrolling. We can see its size and position. It keeps beeing displayed a few seconds after beeing used and disappear. But, we can also hover it, click on it and scroll while sliding the mouse.

                          But, that beeing said, I didn't encounter much website that disabled totally the scroll bar. I didn't knew it was a thing up until your toot.

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                          • cal@kind.socialC cal@kind.social

                            @drewtowler @tj I strongly recommend https://greasyfork.org/en/scripts/381674-don-t-with-my-scroll

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                            @Cal @tj Thanks! Will try it.

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                            • tj@howse.socialT tj@howse.social

                              Can web developers stop fucking with scroll bars please? No website is so beautiful that it justifies losing the ability to see how far the page scrolls down. I don't give two shits about your design vision.

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                              @tj@howse.social I'll just drop this here: https://scrollbars.matoseb.com/

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                              • tj@howse.socialT tj@howse.social

                                Can web developers stop fucking with scroll bars please? No website is so beautiful that it justifies losing the ability to see how far the page scrolls down. I don't give two shits about your design vision.

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                                @tj Do you know how to create websites?

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                                • tj@howse.socialT tj@howse.social

                                  Can web developers stop fucking with scroll bars please? No website is so beautiful that it justifies losing the ability to see how far the page scrolls down. I don't give two shits about your design vision.

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                                  @tj THIS!

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                                  • terrorbite@meow.socialT terrorbite@meow.social

                                    @tj when you're scrolling down, and suddenly the page stops scrolling and the scroll is controlling some kind of animation instead

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                                    @TerrorBite Or when the scroll wheel (or finger scroll on the phone) scrolls a box in the middle of the page and there is just a tiny area left where you can actually scroll the page to get past the box. Happens a lot on certain news sites.

                                    @tj

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                                    • lyrial@transfem.socialL lyrial@transfem.social

                                      @tj@howse.social I'll just drop this here: https://scrollbars.matoseb.com/

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                                      @lyrial @tj
                                      Ooh, they're interactable!

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                                      • aligorith@mastodon.nzA aligorith@mastodon.nz

                                        @tj
                                        I'd argue this applies not only to web developers (who keep trying to hide them outright), but also all OS designers who keep working harder and harder and harder to make them all but invisible + unusable! 🤬

                                        Among other annoyances in this category are:
                                        1) Scrollbars that are often now too thin to even aim at, which is made worse by

                                        2) Scrollbars that are not visible by default, and will disappear mere seconds after the most recent scrolling interaction ends

                                        3) And even when they are visible + not too thin, they are configured to be very low contrast + translucent...

                                        Having lived through the 90's / early 2000's ugly grey MS Windows type scrollbars, I can understand why a lot of people are scarred from that experience.

                                        But IMO, most designers took the wrong lessons from those. Key things we should've done different:
                                        * Changed from "click to go up/down a page" (i.e. mostly pointless) to opening up "click anywhere to scroll there" (which is what a few enlightened designs do)

                                        * Instead of making them smaller and smaller and less visible, we should've tackled instead the problem that they were no offering enough value, and instead leaned in *hard* on covering them in clickable markers (with optional additional details) to jump to useful landmarks

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                                        @aligorith @tj Xaw scrollbars were the best in my eyes.

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                                        • tj@howse.socialT tj@howse.social

                                          Can web developers stop fucking with scroll bars please? No website is so beautiful that it justifies losing the ability to see how far the page scrolls down. I don't give two shits about your design vision.

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                                          @tj can I add disabling control click to open link in a new tab to the list? I was on a docs site that did this. Really frustrating.

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