Can web developers stop fucking with scroll bars please?
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@tj Hate it. Seems like it also might be an accessibility minefield.
s/might be/is/
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Can web developers stop fucking with scroll bars please? No website is so beautiful that it justifies losing the ability to see how far the page scrolls down. I don't give two shits about your design vision.
@tj Here on MacOS the scroll bars only appears when needed, i.e. while scrolling. We can see its size and position. It keeps beeing displayed a few seconds after beeing used and disappear. But, we can also hover it, click on it and scroll while sliding the mouse.
But, that beeing said, I didn't encounter much website that disabled totally the scroll bar. I didn't knew it was a thing up until your toot. -
@drewtowler @tj I strongly recommend https://greasyfork.org/en/scripts/381674-don-t-with-my-scroll
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Can web developers stop fucking with scroll bars please? No website is so beautiful that it justifies losing the ability to see how far the page scrolls down. I don't give two shits about your design vision.
@tj@howse.social I'll just drop this here: https://scrollbars.matoseb.com/
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Can web developers stop fucking with scroll bars please? No website is so beautiful that it justifies losing the ability to see how far the page scrolls down. I don't give two shits about your design vision.
@tj Do you know how to create websites?
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Can web developers stop fucking with scroll bars please? No website is so beautiful that it justifies losing the ability to see how far the page scrolls down. I don't give two shits about your design vision.
@tj THIS!
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@tj when you're scrolling down, and suddenly the page stops scrolling and the scroll is controlling some kind of animation instead
@TerrorBite Or when the scroll wheel (or finger scroll on the phone) scrolls a box in the middle of the page and there is just a tiny area left where you can actually scroll the page to get past the box. Happens a lot on certain news sites.
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@tj@howse.social I'll just drop this here: https://scrollbars.matoseb.com/
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@tj
I'd argue this applies not only to web developers (who keep trying to hide them outright), but also all OS designers who keep working harder and harder and harder to make them all but invisible + unusable! 🤬Among other annoyances in this category are:
1) Scrollbars that are often now too thin to even aim at, which is made worse by2) Scrollbars that are not visible by default, and will disappear mere seconds after the most recent scrolling interaction ends
3) And even when they are visible + not too thin, they are configured to be very low contrast + translucent...
Having lived through the 90's / early 2000's ugly grey MS Windows type scrollbars, I can understand why a lot of people are scarred from that experience.
But IMO, most designers took the wrong lessons from those. Key things we should've done different:
* Changed from "click to go up/down a page" (i.e. mostly pointless) to opening up "click anywhere to scroll there" (which is what a few enlightened designs do)* Instead of making them smaller and smaller and less visible, we should've tackled instead the problem that they were no offering enough value, and instead leaned in *hard* on covering them in clickable markers (with optional additional details) to jump to useful landmarks
@aligorith @tj Xaw scrollbars were the best in my eyes.
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Can web developers stop fucking with scroll bars please? No website is so beautiful that it justifies losing the ability to see how far the page scrolls down. I don't give two shits about your design vision.
@tj can I add disabling control click to open link in a new tab to the list? I was on a docs site that did this. Really frustrating.
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@tj I’m personally pissed off at browsers for giving web authors this ability. The browser is supposed to be the user agent! My features! Not yours!
@RedFacedUakari @tj "user agent" brilliant. I'm gonna quote that some time I expect when I'm advocating for HDA (hypermedia driven applications)
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Can web developers stop fucking with scroll bars please? No website is so beautiful that it justifies losing the ability to see how far the page scrolls down. I don't give two shits about your design vision.
@tj what i have never understood is why they consider the scroll bar as part of the design rather than the window framing
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Can web developers stop fucking with scroll bars please? No website is so beautiful that it justifies losing the ability to see how far the page scrolls down. I don't give two shits about your design vision.
@tj let me click/tab amd grab that bitch. FFS
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Can web developers stop fucking with scroll bars please? No website is so beautiful that it justifies losing the ability to see how far the page scrolls down. I don't give two shits about your design vision.
@tj there should be no API for this at all! -
Can web developers stop fucking with scroll bars please? No website is so beautiful that it justifies losing the ability to see how far the page scrolls down. I don't give two shits about your design vision.
@tj also, scrolling things in scrolling things. Like, they suck, just don’t. Possible exception is horizontal scrolling things in vertical scrolling.
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