Can web developers stop fucking with scroll bars please?

[mees@sunny.garden]

@tj but, you would lose interest in our sales pitch if you knew how long it was!

[lukeharby@infosec.exchange]

@tj Hate it. Seems like it also might be an accessibility minefield.

[cavyherd@wandering.shop]

@tj

Can •all• the developers stop fucking with the scroll bars please? Same same—your design vision isn't worth a piss if I can't •use• it.

[cavyherd@wandering.shop]

@lukeharby @tj

s/might be/is/

[damiab@peculiar.florist]

@tj Here on MacOS the scroll bars only appears when needed, i.e. while scrolling. We can see its size and position. It keeps beeing displayed a few seconds after beeing used and disappear. But, we can also hover it, click on it and scroll while sliding the mouse.

But, that beeing said, I didn't encounter much website that disabled totally the scroll bar. I didn't knew it was a thing up until your toot.

[drewtowler@mas.to]

@Cal @tj Thanks! Will try it.

[lyrial@transfem.social]

@tj@howse.social I'll just drop this here: https://scrollbars.matoseb.com/

[2003mugishaphocit@mastodon.social]

@tj Do you know how to create websites?

[fedithom@social.saarland]

@tj THIS!

[veronica@mastodon.online]

@TerrorBite Or when the scroll wheel (or finger scroll on the phone) scrolls a box in the middle of the page and there is just a tiny area left where you can actually scroll the page to get past the box. Happens a lot on certain news sites.

@tj

[pteryx@dice.camp]

@lyrial @tj
Ooh, they're interactable!

[project1enigma@chaos.social]

@aligorith @tj Xaw scrollbars were the best in my eyes.

[daz@floss.social]

@tj can I add disabling control click to open link in a new tab to the list? I was on a docs site that did this. Really frustrating.

[daz@floss.social]

@RedFacedUakari @tj "user agent" brilliant. I'm gonna quote that some time I expect when I'm advocating for HDA (hypermedia driven applications)

[dysfun@social.treehouse.systems]

@tj what i have never understood is why they consider the scroll bar as part of the design rather than the window framing

[mage_of_chaos@mastodon.social]

@tj let me click/tab amd grab that bitch. FFS

[buherator@infosec.place]

@tj there should be no API for this at all!

[benjohn@todon.nl]

@tj also, scrolling things in scrolling things. Like, they suck, just don’t. Possible exception is horizontal scrolling things in vertical scrolling.

[jernej__s@infosec.exchange]

@pteryx @lyrial @tj Sadly at least the Windows scrollbars don't behave like the real thing (clicking the shaded area outside the thumb doesn't move the thumb directly to the clicked position, but instead moves it a slightly larger amount than clicking the arrows).