Nearly three-quarters (72%) of citizens agree: our union brings real benefits.
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@benroyce @jtb @EUCommission I'm pretty sure their re-re-re-reattempting to implement chat control, their folding to the US, US Big Tech surveillance companies, and to the AI fomo is much, much more dangerous to our Europe and to our democracy, than the "entitled screeching" of citizens rightfully concerned about the Commission — over which, I repeat, we have no direct control or influence — doing things that go against us as citizens.
@benroyce @jtb @EUCommission Sure, it's the elected heads of states, and in the other council the ministers appointed by said elected heads of states, but that's just way too many layers — I don't think we can say we have any say in the matter.
Would you say that you, under any US president, have any kind of influence over who your Secretaries are and what they represent? And what they'd represent in an international formation with other Secretaries/Ministers?
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@benroyce @EUCommission Mostly you are calling me names. I have no idea what I am supposed to be learning from you.
don't worry about it
i've seen this play out before
people don't listen
they put in "the work" of feeling smug by shouting at social media accounts, because they want perfect now
hen when it comes time to do the real work to show up and achieve their goals, which is dreary because it involves slow movement towards better (perfect isn't on the menu), they are nowhere to be found, because there's no dopamine hit in that
because their real goal is merely satiating their ego
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@EUCommission I don't agree. And you are unelected. Bring back democracy to the #EU !
Hi @jtb! The EU is a democracy and this means that you have the right to disagree with us. You can also help shape EU policies directly through tools like the European Citizens’ Initiative and European Citizens’ Panels.
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@benroyce @phl @EUCommission I didn't declare that I "put in the work". Why is that in quotes? Who are you quoting?
the quotes are to indicate there is no real work put in at all
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@benroyce @phl @EUCommission But you are an hypercritical voice online.
of hypercriticism
it's not right to disrespect. unless you are disrespecting the disrespectful
it's not right to be intolerant. unless you are intolerant of intolerance
and it's not right to be hypercritical. unless you are hypercritical of hypercriticism
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then put in the real work to defeat that obvious evil
don't shout at a social media account and smugly declare that you "put in the work"
@benroyce @jtb @EUCommission Can you call your congresspeople or senators (cf. representatives), or can you call your Secretary (cf. Minister)? I'm pretty sure even in a relatively less insane country you can the former but not the latter.
As such you can't possibly put in "real work" to influence them. You can, however, pressure your reps, who are in Parliament (national or EU), who you can hope they'll take into account your pressure when they vote.
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@benroyce @richlv @paranormal_distribution@fosstodon.org @EUCommission An example of how to achieve one's goals is a study in how the GOP destroyed America in 45 years. Starting with Ronald Reagan and now with MAGA. Slowly taking over the systems and eroding trust, safety nets, education, and causing real pain, and blaming it on the Democrats. Watching what the EU has done in Europe is remarkable, and hopefully it can continue to serve its people.
@RegGuy @benroyce @richlv @paranormal_distribution@fosstodon.org @EUCommission reagan used to MAGA thing first
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of hypercriticism
it's not right to disrespect. unless you are disrespecting the disrespectful
it's not right to be intolerant. unless you are intolerant of intolerance
and it's not right to be hypercritical. unless you are hypercritical of hypercriticism
@benroyce @phl @EUCommission Gee wizz, all I said was they are unelected. Why don't you direct your energy at your own fellow citizens?
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@benroyce @jtb @EUCommission Sure, it's the elected heads of states, and in the other council the ministers appointed by said elected heads of states, but that's just way too many layers — I don't think we can say we have any say in the matter.
Would you say that you, under any US president, have any kind of influence over who your Secretaries are and what they represent? And what they'd represent in an international formation with other Secretaries/Ministers?
yes i do. i vote for the president, who appoints the secretaries
i would fancy another system where we also elect the secretaries, there are pluses and minuses to that. it's worth looking into
but what i wouldn't do is shout at the social media account of a us bureaucrat to achieve that, because it's pointless. unless i was more interested in just venting online rather than putting the actual work in to achieve that
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yes i do. i vote for the president, who appoints the secretaries
i would fancy another system where we also elect the secretaries, there are pluses and minuses to that. it's worth looking into
but what i wouldn't do is shout at the social media account of a us bureaucrat to achieve that, because it's pointless. unless i was more interested in just venting online rather than putting the actual work in to achieve that
@benroyce @phl @EUCommission I don't actually live in the EU. The UK left the EU. Job done.
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@benroyce @jtb @EUCommission Can you call your congresspeople or senators (cf. representatives), or can you call your Secretary (cf. Minister)? I'm pretty sure even in a relatively less insane country you can the former but not the latter.
As such you can't possibly put in "real work" to influence them. You can, however, pressure your reps, who are in Parliament (national or EU), who you can hope they'll take into account your pressure when they vote.
or even better, use this topic as your voting criteria when you select your reps
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hypercritical voices online serve no political purpose. they only serve the ego of the person doing the hypercriticism
no understanding of doing the work. just standing on perfectionism and shouting demands
this fosters disappointment, disengagement, alienation. feeding the right
it's a psyop
from entitled people. with no idea how precarious the foundations they stand on are
again, i am warning you as an american
go ahead and ignore me. and learn the hard way
@benroyce @jtb @EUCommission The disappointment comes in the repeated actions of the Commission, and not from any kind of psyop I'm afraid.
Emphatically: What you see in most of the comments isn't some anti-EU sentiment fueled by (typically Russia backed) far-right dolts.
It is criticism on the repeated approaches, that one particular, *hard to interact with*, very removed from the People, part of the system is making.
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@benroyce @phl @EUCommission I don't actually live in the EU. The UK left the EU. Job done.
so then we're both deranged, as we're both butting into eu politics we have no real right to comment on
the difference being i am warning about the perfectionist hypercriticism i see, where it leads, a warning from the american experience
and you are engaging in it
so that certainly places you at a worse position than me
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or even better, use this topic as your voting criteria when you select your reps
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so then we're both deranged, as we're both butting into eu politics we have no real right to comment on
the difference being i am warning about the perfectionist hypercriticism i see, where it leads, a warning from the american experience
and you are engaging in it
so that certainly places you at a worse position than me
@benroyce @phl @EUCommission Well that must feel good for you, to be in a better position than I am.
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@benroyce @phl @EUCommission Gee wizz, all I said was they are unelected. Why don't you direct your energy at your own fellow citizens?
and likewise, since you just admitted you aren't in the eu
i am trying to warn europeans about where perfectionist hypercriticism leads
you are bizarrely engaging in it of the eu, and you're not even in the eu
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and likewise, since you just admitted you aren't in the eu
i am trying to warn europeans about where perfectionist hypercriticism leads
you are bizarrely engaging in it of the eu, and you're not even in the eu
@benroyce @phl @EUCommission I used to be in the EU, and I am much nearer to it than you are. And I do actually care about democracy.
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@benroyce @jtb @EUCommission The disappointment comes in the repeated actions of the Commission, and not from any kind of psyop I'm afraid.
Emphatically: What you see in most of the comments isn't some anti-EU sentiment fueled by (typically Russia backed) far-right dolts.
It is criticism on the repeated approaches, that one particular, *hard to interact with*, very removed from the People, part of the system is making.
and you don't see how this sort of perfectionist hypercriticism can be a troll angle by the very trollfarm you say is not here on this topic?
you think it's not around anymore?
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yes i do. i vote for the president, who appoints the secretaries
i would fancy another system where we also elect the secretaries, there are pluses and minuses to that. it's worth looking into
but what i wouldn't do is shout at the social media account of a us bureaucrat to achieve that, because it's pointless. unless i was more interested in just venting online rather than putting the actual work in to achieve that
@benroyce @jtb > i vote for the president, who appoints the secretaries
who can be whoever, whatever, their vision aligning with the president, sure, but the president (prime minister) is not all-knowing (normally), and the secretary (minister) might have their own freedoms to do as they see fit in certain aspects of their work. And neither are pres/PMs in full understanding of technology etc. so they can be well gullible when it comes to said tech corpos.
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well yelling at a social media account on mastodon won't achieve anything
listen to a european, don't listen to me:
Rihards Olups (@richlv@mastodon.social)
@paranormal_distribution@fosstodon.org @EUCommission@ec.social-network.europa.eu Just a quick note - if you care, call commissioners. Don't harass people who manage social media, especially the ones who manage Masto!
Mastodon (mastodon.social)
what i fear is, watching europe from the usa, and seeing the same tired toxic idealism troll angles shouting, rewarding dopamine, and not any real effective work to achieve what they say
i agree with your goals. i differ with your methodology
