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@benroyce @jtb @EUCommission Sure, it's the elected heads of states, and in the other council the ministers appointed by said elected heads of states, but that's just way too many layers — I don't think we can say we have any say in the matter.
Would you say that you, under any US president, have any kind of influence over who your Secretaries are and what they represent? And what they'd represent in an international formation with other Secretaries/Ministers?
yes i do. i vote for the president, who appoints the secretaries
i would fancy another system where we also elect the secretaries, there are pluses and minuses to that. it's worth looking into
but what i wouldn't do is shout at the social media account of a us bureaucrat to achieve that, because it's pointless. unless i was more interested in just venting online rather than putting the actual work in to achieve that
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yes i do. i vote for the president, who appoints the secretaries
i would fancy another system where we also elect the secretaries, there are pluses and minuses to that. it's worth looking into
but what i wouldn't do is shout at the social media account of a us bureaucrat to achieve that, because it's pointless. unless i was more interested in just venting online rather than putting the actual work in to achieve that
@benroyce @phl @EUCommission I don't actually live in the EU. The UK left the EU. Job done.
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@benroyce @jtb @EUCommission Can you call your congresspeople or senators (cf. representatives), or can you call your Secretary (cf. Minister)? I'm pretty sure even in a relatively less insane country you can the former but not the latter.
As such you can't possibly put in "real work" to influence them. You can, however, pressure your reps, who are in Parliament (national or EU), who you can hope they'll take into account your pressure when they vote.
or even better, use this topic as your voting criteria when you select your reps
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hypercritical voices online serve no political purpose. they only serve the ego of the person doing the hypercriticism
no understanding of doing the work. just standing on perfectionism and shouting demands
this fosters disappointment, disengagement, alienation. feeding the right
it's a psyop
from entitled people. with no idea how precarious the foundations they stand on are
again, i am warning you as an american
go ahead and ignore me. and learn the hard way
@benroyce @jtb @EUCommission The disappointment comes in the repeated actions of the Commission, and not from any kind of psyop I'm afraid.
Emphatically: What you see in most of the comments isn't some anti-EU sentiment fueled by (typically Russia backed) far-right dolts.
It is criticism on the repeated approaches, that one particular, *hard to interact with*, very removed from the People, part of the system is making.
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@benroyce @phl @EUCommission I don't actually live in the EU. The UK left the EU. Job done.
so then we're both deranged, as we're both butting into eu politics we have no real right to comment on
the difference being i am warning about the perfectionist hypercriticism i see, where it leads, a warning from the american experience
and you are engaging in it
so that certainly places you at a worse position than me
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or even better, use this topic as your voting criteria when you select your reps
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so then we're both deranged, as we're both butting into eu politics we have no real right to comment on
the difference being i am warning about the perfectionist hypercriticism i see, where it leads, a warning from the american experience
and you are engaging in it
so that certainly places you at a worse position than me
@benroyce @phl @EUCommission Well that must feel good for you, to be in a better position than I am.
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@benroyce @phl @EUCommission Gee wizz, all I said was they are unelected. Why don't you direct your energy at your own fellow citizens?
and likewise, since you just admitted you aren't in the eu
i am trying to warn europeans about where perfectionist hypercriticism leads
you are bizarrely engaging in it of the eu, and you're not even in the eu
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and likewise, since you just admitted you aren't in the eu
i am trying to warn europeans about where perfectionist hypercriticism leads
you are bizarrely engaging in it of the eu, and you're not even in the eu
@benroyce @phl @EUCommission I used to be in the EU, and I am much nearer to it than you are. And I do actually care about democracy.
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@benroyce @jtb @EUCommission The disappointment comes in the repeated actions of the Commission, and not from any kind of psyop I'm afraid.
Emphatically: What you see in most of the comments isn't some anti-EU sentiment fueled by (typically Russia backed) far-right dolts.
It is criticism on the repeated approaches, that one particular, *hard to interact with*, very removed from the People, part of the system is making.
and you don't see how this sort of perfectionist hypercriticism can be a troll angle by the very trollfarm you say is not here on this topic?
you think it's not around anymore?
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yes i do. i vote for the president, who appoints the secretaries
i would fancy another system where we also elect the secretaries, there are pluses and minuses to that. it's worth looking into
but what i wouldn't do is shout at the social media account of a us bureaucrat to achieve that, because it's pointless. unless i was more interested in just venting online rather than putting the actual work in to achieve that
@benroyce @jtb > i vote for the president, who appoints the secretaries
who can be whoever, whatever, their vision aligning with the president, sure, but the president (prime minister) is not all-knowing (normally), and the secretary (minister) might have their own freedoms to do as they see fit in certain aspects of their work. And neither are pres/PMs in full understanding of technology etc. so they can be well gullible when it comes to said tech corpos.
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well yelling at a social media account on mastodon won't achieve anything
listen to a european, don't listen to me:
Rihards Olups (@richlv@mastodon.social)
@paranormal_distribution@fosstodon.org @EUCommission@ec.social-network.europa.eu Just a quick note - if you care, call commissioners. Don't harass people who manage social media, especially the ones who manage Masto!
Mastodon (mastodon.social)
what i fear is, watching europe from the usa, and seeing the same tired toxic idealism troll angles shouting, rewarding dopamine, and not any real effective work to achieve what they say
i agree with your goals. i differ with your methodology
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and you don't see how this sort of perfectionist hypercriticism can be a troll angle by the very trollfarm you say is not here on this topic?
you think it's not around anymore?
@benroyce @phl @EUCommission "perfectionist hypercriticism" ? all I said was that the commissioners are unelected. That's true. They should be elected directly, because they write laws. Why can't I express this simple view? What is social media for anyway? All I see on here is people making unsupported statements, and then going mad at anyone who disagrees.
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@benroyce @jtb > i vote for the president, who appoints the secretaries
who can be whoever, whatever, their vision aligning with the president, sure, but the president (prime minister) is not all-knowing (normally), and the secretary (minister) might have their own freedoms to do as they see fit in certain aspects of their work. And neither are pres/PMs in full understanding of technology etc. so they can be well gullible when it comes to said tech corpos.
@benroyce @jtb And that's how we get to the problem that the appointed people might not represent you and you have way too little control over them, both in terms of influencing them or recalling them (representatives are typically easier to pressure from below or recall, depending on the jurisdiction)
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well yelling at a social media account on mastodon won't achieve anything
listen to a european, don't listen to me:
Rihards Olups (@richlv@mastodon.social)
@paranormal_distribution@fosstodon.org @EUCommission@ec.social-network.europa.eu Just a quick note - if you care, call commissioners. Don't harass people who manage social media, especially the ones who manage Masto!
Mastodon (mastodon.social)
what i fear is, watching europe from the usa, and seeing the same tired toxic idealism troll angles shouting, rewarding dopamine, and not any real effective work to achieve what they say
i agree with your goals. i differ with your methodology
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@benroyce @phl @EUCommission Well that must feel good for you, to be in a better position than I am.
i am most certainly not in a better position
i said i was american
you believe i said that to say i was in a better position?
we're in fucking hell over here, and i'm trying to warn you about how we got here
misdirected energy, engineered by troll psyop
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@benroyce @phl @EUCommission I used to be in the EU, and I am much nearer to it than you are. And I do actually care about democracy.
same
so listen to my words when i warn you about a danger, since i see democracy crumbling
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i am most certainly not in a better position
i said i was american
you believe i said that to say i was in a better position?
we're in fucking hell over here, and i'm trying to warn you about how we got here
misdirected energy, engineered by troll psyop
@benroyce @phl @EUCommission So just to clarify then, Trump got elected because someone said 'bring back democracy' on mastodon? That's some power isn't it?
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and likewise, since you just admitted you aren't in the eu
i am trying to warn europeans about where perfectionist hypercriticism leads
you are bizarrely engaging in it of the eu, and you're not even in the eu
@benroyce @jtb @EUCommission I really, really don't think we're being perfectionists or hypercritical, despite you latching onto those words so hard. Most of us know not to be idealists — hell, I'm coming from the Orbán country where the only solution was for every leftist to vote for a conservative, right wing guy; we're *very* far from idealism and perfectionism —, but we see the repeated refusal from the EC to take a hint with what people don't want. They just keep microsofting forward.
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@benroyce @jtb And that's how we get to the problem that the appointed people might not represent you and you have way too little control over them, both in terms of influencing them or recalling them (representatives are typically easier to pressure from below or recall, depending on the jurisdiction)
