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google is broken...

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  • liaizon@social.wake.stL liaizon@social.wake.st

    @oppen who needs to know anything when you can just guess the answer based on a probability that is right a good amount of the time!?

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    @liaizon In $dayjob we have an elusive bug in our impl. of Android's MediaSession/ExoPlayer. Having previously spent days trying to fix it I thought I'd try the Claude account we're testing, let's see if the AI can find the problem... it's very very confidentlly identified the issue in 3 or 4 places so far, none of the fixes it's added have worked at all, but the language it uses is so matter of fact. It's a user-facing issue and the in-app radio playback locks up until restart, so big problem when it happens, the 1st time Claude said it knew what the issue was I was momentarily very happy...

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      @liaizon In $dayjob we have an elusive bug in our impl. of Android's MediaSession/ExoPlayer. Having previously spent days trying to fix it I thought I'd try the Claude account we're testing, let's see if the AI can find the problem... it's very very confidentlly identified the issue in 3 or 4 places so far, none of the fixes it's added have worked at all, but the language it uses is so matter of fact. It's a user-facing issue and the in-app radio playback locks up until restart, so big problem when it happens, the 1st time Claude said it knew what the issue was I was momentarily very happy...

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      @oppen it so often being confidently wrong is one of the most annoying aspects of this jank for sure. I think many people would respond better to a bunch more of "I don't know!" responses littered in (it could probably just be randomized) just to have less certainty...

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      • liaizon@social.wake.stL liaizon@social.wake.st

        amazing how jank this all is

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        @liaizon Perfect comedy! Really digging the references on this one:

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        • despens@post.lurk.orgD despens@post.lurk.org

          @liaizon Perfect comedy! Really digging the references on this one:

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          @despens its amazing to see how everytime google uses citations they are basically randomly added later. like it makes up some shit, then "cites" it by just showing a link that contains a single word of your search.

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          • liaizon@social.wake.stL liaizon@social.wake.st

            @despens its amazing to see how everytime google uses citations they are basically randomly added later. like it makes up some shit, then "cites" it by just showing a link that contains a single word of your search.

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            @liaizon 👆 This post of yours is actually a prompt that forms the foundation of a billion dollar business

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            • liaizon@social.wake.stL liaizon@social.wake.st

              amazing how jank this all is

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              @liaizon
              The correct answer is 3.
              "Rassemblement National"

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              • liaizon@social.wake.stL liaizon@social.wake.st

                amazing how jank this all is

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                @liaizon missed opportunity, Google, missed opportunity.

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                • fluchtkapsel@nerdculture.deF fluchtkapsel@nerdculture.de

                  @liaizon missed opportunity, Google, missed opportunity.

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                  @fluchtkapsel its impressive how consistent this "bug" is, like they have to realize it by now. I wonder what the internal Google chat looksike atm

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                  • liaizon@social.wake.stL liaizon@social.wake.st

                    amazing how jank this all is

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                    someone at google is still alive!

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                    • liaizon@social.wake.stL liaizon@social.wake.st

                      someone at google is still alive!

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                      @liaizon
                      the sad thing is that they can (and might) fix this, but the fix will be one of these two:

                      1. have the model run much longer, then have another model read that output and summarize: "reasoning" (aka maximize resource burning)
                      2. give the AI a traditionally-implemented "count characters in word" tool (address the symptom, aka admit defeat.

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                        @liaizon
                        the sad thing is that they can (and might) fix this, but the fix will be one of these two:

                        1. have the model run much longer, then have another model read that output and summarize: "reasoning" (aka maximize resource burning)
                        2. give the AI a traditionally-implemented "count characters in word" tool (address the symptom, aka admit defeat.

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                        @s_ol it should be doing tool calls anyway for many questions. Like Google search used to do basic math and equations inline without searching.

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                        • s_ol@merveilles.townS s_ol@merveilles.town

                          @liaizon
                          the sad thing is that they can (and might) fix this, but the fix will be one of these two:

                          1. have the model run much longer, then have another model read that output and summarize: "reasoning" (aka maximize resource burning)
                          2. give the AI a traditionally-implemented "count characters in word" tool (address the symptom, aka admit defeat.

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                          @liaizon
                          i was under the impression that other general-purpose models have solved this and would've guessed they implemented option 2 but actually chatgpt is still confidently wrong (now with sources!)

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                            @liaizon
                            i was under the impression that other general-purpose models have solved this and would've guessed they implemented option 2 but actually chatgpt is still confidently wrong (now with sources!)

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                            @s_ol I love how all these companies are completely ruining the concept of souces and citations

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                            • s_ol@merveilles.townS s_ol@merveilles.town

                              @liaizon
                              the sad thing is that they can (and might) fix this, but the fix will be one of these two:

                              1. have the model run much longer, then have another model read that output and summarize: "reasoning" (aka maximize resource burning)
                              2. give the AI a traditionally-implemented "count characters in word" tool (address the symptom, aka admit defeat.

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                              @s_ol @liaizon last night when i tried exactly this, it was already using python to count chars, but only sometimes. when i asked "how many p in paraphernalia" it said 3. so it's just very random

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                              • mntmn@mastodon.socialM mntmn@mastodon.social

                                @s_ol @liaizon last night when i tried exactly this, it was already using python to count chars, but only sometimes. when i asked "how many p in paraphernalia" it said 3. so it's just very random

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                                @mntmn @s_ol how many pythons does it take to change a lightbulb?

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