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  • pine_affinity@mastodon.socialP pine_affinity@mastodon.social

    Because that doesn’t work.

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    Senate Minority Leader rejected any calls for his resignation, standing behind his decision to vote with Republicans to keep the government open

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    @Pine_Affinity @benroyce @Netraven @mcnado I really don't understand why can't Americans accept that the democratic party is an imperialist party for the elites that doesn't answer to its people. Why can't you build actual grassroot movements and put forward your own candidates that are not compromised by the democratic party systems of control? Far easier task than changing the democratic party from within.

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    • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

      @Netraven @mcnado

      yeah but despite all of the shadow money we can still vote

      especially in the primaries coming up

      so many elections are decided by such a small percentage

      and such a large percentage don't vote

      yeah not all of them are leftists but if leftists did show up imagine the difference

      the problem is this sort of mindless cynicism, that something is inevitable. it's not

      vote, assholes

      why would anyone give dark money what it wants by not voting?

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      @benroyce

      Yes! Voting!
      And not be purists who only vote for The Perfect Candidate. Because not voting for The Perfect Candidate means voting by omission: for the bad guys.

      @Netraven @mcnado

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      • J jakekb@mastodon.social

        @Pine_Affinity @benroyce @Netraven @mcnado I really don't understand why can't Americans accept that the democratic party is an imperialist party for the elites that doesn't answer to its people. Why can't you build actual grassroot movements and put forward your own candidates that are not compromised by the democratic party systems of control? Far easier task than changing the democratic party from within.

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        It’s like brainwashing. We’ve been voting for ‘the best possible’ Dem candidates for decades and it brought us to this exact moment.

        @JakeKb @benroyce @Netraven @mcnado

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        • J jakekb@mastodon.social

          @Pine_Affinity @benroyce @Netraven @mcnado I really don't understand why can't Americans accept that the democratic party is an imperialist party for the elites that doesn't answer to its people. Why can't you build actual grassroot movements and put forward your own candidates that are not compromised by the democratic party systems of control? Far easier task than changing the democratic party from within.

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          @JakeKb @Pine_Affinity @Netraven @mcnado

          a 3rd party divides the left vote and ensures MAGA domination

          we need to take over the democrats. i don't like it. it's just the most feasible option

          the problem with international observers like yourself is you come from a different voting system

          the usa is FPTP

          meaning there will only ever be 2 parties (we need RCV to fix that)

          it's not corruption, it's math

          educate yourself before commenting on the matter next time:

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duverger%27s_law

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          • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

            @Pine_Affinity @Netraven @mcnado

            if no one on the left shows up, spineless corporatist dems win, because spineless corporatist dems show up to vote

            but what you are saying is you want people you know are rotten to the core to suddenly and magically grow a conscience and resign?

            rather than, you know, just getting off your ass and voting them out?

            that's the way it works

            why would you argue against the only way to remove them, and argue for a behavior which ensures their continuing power?

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            @benroyce

            There is ALWAYS something one won't agree with. People always have something to complain about, something they miss, they can have different opinions on something.
            It is all about moving in the right, general direction. Holding hands with one another, moving together, getting on the bus accepting annoying stops, but knowing that in the end, we will end up where we want to be, and in the process getting rid of those who are not willing to move.

            @Pine_Affinity @Netraven @mcnado

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            • pine_affinity@mastodon.socialP pine_affinity@mastodon.social

              It’s like brainwashing. We’ve been voting for ‘the best possible’ Dem candidates for decades and it brought us to this exact moment.

              @JakeKb @benroyce @Netraven @mcnado

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              @Pine_Affinity @JakeKb @Netraven @mcnado

              on the contrary, it's people not voting because they are uneducated how our voting system works that makes us stuck

              we can't have 3rd parties

              not because of corruption, but because of math

              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duverger%27s_law

              we need ranked choice voting to fix that

              then we can have stable viable 3rd parties

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              • pine_affinity@mastodon.socialP pine_affinity@mastodon.social

                why would I vote for this party?
                https://www.commondreams.org/news/schumer-israel-aid
                @benroyce @Netraven @mcnado

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                @Pine_Affinity
                You don't have a party on the ballot. You have specific candidates and specific issues, and you should pick the best option on the ballot for each item.

                It is a harm reduction test, and not voting hands the choice to people who will be energized to give you the worst outcome

                @benroyce @Netraven @mcnado

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                • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                  @JakeKb @Pine_Affinity @Netraven @mcnado

                  a 3rd party divides the left vote and ensures MAGA domination

                  we need to take over the democrats. i don't like it. it's just the most feasible option

                  the problem with international observers like yourself is you come from a different voting system

                  the usa is FPTP

                  meaning there will only ever be 2 parties (we need RCV to fix that)

                  it's not corruption, it's math

                  educate yourself before commenting on the matter next time:

                  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duverger%27s_law

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                  Incredible to think that people who can’t stand to vote for Genocide Party A are the ones who are doing the dividing.
                  This party is not reformable.
                  I will see you in another year when Schumer is still leader.

                  @benroyce @JakeKb @Netraven @mcnado

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                  • pine_affinity@mastodon.socialP pine_affinity@mastodon.social

                    Incredible to think that people who can’t stand to vote for Genocide Party A are the ones who are doing the dividing.
                    This party is not reformable.
                    I will see you in another year when Schumer is still leader.

                    @benroyce @JakeKb @Netraven @mcnado

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                    @Pine_Affinity @JakeKb @Netraven @mcnado

                    and that's on you. because you didn't show up in the primaries to vote him out

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                    • pascaline@mastodon.nlP pascaline@mastodon.nl

                      @benroyce

                      There is ALWAYS something one won't agree with. People always have something to complain about, something they miss, they can have different opinions on something.
                      It is all about moving in the right, general direction. Holding hands with one another, moving together, getting on the bus accepting annoying stops, but knowing that in the end, we will end up where we want to be, and in the process getting rid of those who are not willing to move.

                      @Pine_Affinity @Netraven @mcnado

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                      The Democratic Party is moving to the right.

                      @pascaline @benroyce @Netraven @mcnado

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                      • pine_affinity@mastodon.socialP pine_affinity@mastodon.social

                        The Democratic Party is moving to the right.

                        @pascaline @benroyce @Netraven @mcnado

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                        @Pine_Affinity

                        Then vote for something else!

                        @benroyce @Netraven @mcnado

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                        • pascaline@mastodon.nlP pascaline@mastodon.nl

                          @Pine_Affinity

                          Then vote for something else!

                          @benroyce @Netraven @mcnado

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                          Ben Royce says I can’t

                          @pascaline @benroyce @Netraven @mcnado

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                          • pine_affinity@mastodon.socialP pine_affinity@mastodon.social

                            Asking them to eject a leader who illegally and unconditionally supports a genocidal nation is wanting magic?

                            This should be the bare minimum to exist as a political party much less a human being.

                            @benroyce @Netraven @mcnado

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                            @Pine_Affinity
                            Yes, you are asking for magic.

                            At the time that you vote, ejection is not on the menu and wishing it to be is magical thinking

                            By all means demand that the party eject people who don't meet requirements, but if you abstain to vote, you hand your vote to the worst outcome

                            @benroyce @Netraven @mcnado

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                            • pine_affinity@mastodon.socialP pine_affinity@mastodon.social

                              Because that doesn’t work.

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                              Chuck Schumer responds to growing anger after he agreed to Republican spending bills

                              Senate Minority Leader rejected any calls for his resignation, standing behind his decision to vote with Republicans to keep the government open

                              favicon

                              The Independent (www.independent.co.uk)

                              @benroyce @Netraven @mcnado

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                              @Pine_Affinity @Netraven @mcnado

                              voting doesn't work?

                              sitting there doing nothing but expecting centrist dems to change doesn't work

                              just fucking vote

                              in the primaries

                              replace them

                              that is how we fix it

                              all you are doing is arguing for a behavior, nonparticipation, which ensures fascism marches forward

                              why would you do that?

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                              • pine_affinity@mastodon.socialP pine_affinity@mastodon.social

                                The Democratic Party is moving to the right.

                                @pascaline @benroyce @Netraven @mcnado

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                                @Pine_Affinity

                                Also, I really find 'left' and 'right' nonsensical and yet, everyone uses it. It's divisive.

                                @benroyce @Netraven @mcnado

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                                • pine_affinity@mastodon.socialP pine_affinity@mastodon.social

                                  The Democratic Party is moving to the right.

                                  @pascaline @benroyce @Netraven @mcnado

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                                  @Pine_Affinity @pascaline @Netraven @mcnado

                                  because you're not voting

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                                  • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                                    @Pine_Affinity @Netraven @mcnado

                                    voting doesn't work?

                                    sitting there doing nothing but expecting centrist dems to change doesn't work

                                    just fucking vote

                                    in the primaries

                                    replace them

                                    that is how we fix it

                                    all you are doing is arguing for a behavior, nonparticipation, which ensures fascism marches forward

                                    why would you do that?

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                                    Is this behavior enabling fascism?

                                    @benroyce @Netraven @mcnado

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                                    • pine_affinity@mastodon.socialP pine_affinity@mastodon.social

                                      Ben Royce says I can’t

                                      @pascaline @benroyce @Netraven @mcnado

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                                      @Pine_Affinity @pascaline @Netraven @mcnado

                                      how many times have i written "show up in the primaries"

                                      do you understand what a primary is?

                                      how did we get mamdani?

                                      was it because of people like you going "nothing changes. waah. everything sucks and then you die. waah"

                                      or was it from people voting?

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                                      • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                                        @Pine_Affinity @pascaline @Netraven @mcnado

                                        because you're not voting

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                                        @benroyce

                                        If someone didn't vote at all, they voted my omission for this hellscape we're in now.

                                        @Pine_Affinity @Netraven @mcnado

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                                        • pine_affinity@mastodon.socialP pine_affinity@mastodon.social

                                          Because that doesn’t work.

                                          Link Preview Image
                                          Chuck Schumer responds to growing anger after he agreed to Republican spending bills

                                          Senate Minority Leader rejected any calls for his resignation, standing behind his decision to vote with Republicans to keep the government open

                                          favicon

                                          The Independent (www.independent.co.uk)

                                          @benroyce @Netraven @mcnado

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                                          @Pine_Affinity
                                          No

                                          That is the ONLY way that things work.
                                          We have shitty choices now, because people who could have influenced things to get better options stood back and let things take their course.

                                          Paradigmatic changes almost never happen, and are almost always bad. Incremental and marginal improvement is almost always the only way things actually improve. It works like that to make better sausages, airplanes, or policies

                                          @benroyce @Netraven @mcnado

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