Nothing gives Israel a special right to invade neighbors, bulldoze their homes, and create a DMZ.
-
@Pine_Affinity @Netraven @mcnado
this is an inversion of responsibility
if you vote, the party answers to you
if you don't vote, the party answers to dark money and spineless centrists who do vote
if we vote, we may fail. if we don't vote, we *will* fail. so why would you want to define your political consciousness as acceptance of fascism? you understand that is what your cynical "unlikely" is about right? cynicism is acceptance. do you accept fascism? i don't think so. so vote
-
@Pine_Affinity @Netraven @mcnado
by voting
sitting back and passing your responsibility to dem leadership to magically change is absurdity
i am confused why you think that's a valid position
you mob the primaries, you replace them
proof it works?
mamdani
dem centrists opposed him every step of the way. and yet he won
how?
because people showed the fuck up
you have to change the way you think about the problem
don't depend upon assholes who will never change to change
vote
-
@Pine_Affinity @Netraven @mcnado
by voting
sitting back and passing your responsibility to dem leadership to magically change is absurdity
i am confused why you think that's a valid position
you mob the primaries, you replace them
proof it works?
mamdani
dem centrists opposed him every step of the way. and yet he won
how?
because people showed the fuck up
you have to change the way you think about the problem
don't depend upon assholes who will never change to change
vote
Asking them to eject a leader who illegally and unconditionally supports a genocidal nation is wanting magic?
This should be the bare minimum to exist as a political party much less a human being.
-
@Pine_Affinity @Netraven @mcnado
if no one on the left shows up, spineless corporatist dems win, because spineless corporatist dems show up to vote
but what you are saying is you want people you know are rotten to the core to suddenly and magically grow a conscience and resign?
rather than, you know, just getting off your ass and voting them out?
that's the way it works
why would you argue against the only way to remove them, and argue for a behavior which ensures their continuing power?
-
@Pine_Affinity @Netraven @mcnado
if no one on the left shows up, spineless corporatist dems win, because spineless corporatist dems show up to vote
but what you are saying is you want people you know are rotten to the core to suddenly and magically grow a conscience and resign?
rather than, you know, just getting off your ass and voting them out?
that's the way it works
why would you argue against the only way to remove them, and argue for a behavior which ensures their continuing power?
Because that doesn’t work.
Chuck Schumer responds to growing anger after he agreed to Republican spending bills
Senate Minority Leader rejected any calls for his resignation, standing behind his decision to vote with Republicans to keep the government open
The Independent (www.independent.co.uk)
-
Because that doesn’t work.
Chuck Schumer responds to growing anger after he agreed to Republican spending bills
Senate Minority Leader rejected any calls for his resignation, standing behind his decision to vote with Republicans to keep the government open
The Independent (www.independent.co.uk)
@Pine_Affinity @benroyce @Netraven @mcnado I really don't understand why can't Americans accept that the democratic party is an imperialist party for the elites that doesn't answer to its people. Why can't you build actual grassroot movements and put forward your own candidates that are not compromised by the democratic party systems of control? Far easier task than changing the democratic party from within.
-
yeah but despite all of the shadow money we can still vote
especially in the primaries coming up
so many elections are decided by such a small percentage
and such a large percentage don't vote
yeah not all of them are leftists but if leftists did show up imagine the difference
the problem is this sort of mindless cynicism, that something is inevitable. it's not
vote, assholes
why would anyone give dark money what it wants by not voting?
-
@Pine_Affinity @benroyce @Netraven @mcnado I really don't understand why can't Americans accept that the democratic party is an imperialist party for the elites that doesn't answer to its people. Why can't you build actual grassroot movements and put forward your own candidates that are not compromised by the democratic party systems of control? Far easier task than changing the democratic party from within.
It’s like brainwashing. We’ve been voting for ‘the best possible’ Dem candidates for decades and it brought us to this exact moment.
-
@Pine_Affinity @benroyce @Netraven @mcnado I really don't understand why can't Americans accept that the democratic party is an imperialist party for the elites that doesn't answer to its people. Why can't you build actual grassroot movements and put forward your own candidates that are not compromised by the democratic party systems of control? Far easier task than changing the democratic party from within.
@JakeKb @Pine_Affinity @Netraven @mcnado
a 3rd party divides the left vote and ensures MAGA domination
we need to take over the democrats. i don't like it. it's just the most feasible option
the problem with international observers like yourself is you come from a different voting system
the usa is FPTP
meaning there will only ever be 2 parties (we need RCV to fix that)
it's not corruption, it's math
educate yourself before commenting on the matter next time:
-
@Pine_Affinity @Netraven @mcnado
if no one on the left shows up, spineless corporatist dems win, because spineless corporatist dems show up to vote
but what you are saying is you want people you know are rotten to the core to suddenly and magically grow a conscience and resign?
rather than, you know, just getting off your ass and voting them out?
that's the way it works
why would you argue against the only way to remove them, and argue for a behavior which ensures their continuing power?
There is ALWAYS something one won't agree with. People always have something to complain about, something they miss, they can have different opinions on something.
It is all about moving in the right, general direction. Holding hands with one another, moving together, getting on the bus accepting annoying stops, but knowing that in the end, we will end up where we want to be, and in the process getting rid of those who are not willing to move. -
@Pine_Affinity @JakeKb @Netraven @mcnado
on the contrary, it's people not voting because they are uneducated how our voting system works that makes us stuck
we can't have 3rd parties
not because of corruption, but because of math
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duverger%27s_law
we need ranked choice voting to fix that
then we can have stable viable 3rd parties
-
why would I vote for this party?
https://www.commondreams.org/news/schumer-israel-aid
@benroyce @Netraven @mcnado@Pine_Affinity
You don't have a party on the ballot. You have specific candidates and specific issues, and you should pick the best option on the ballot for each item.It is a harm reduction test, and not voting hands the choice to people who will be energized to give you the worst outcome
-
@JakeKb @Pine_Affinity @Netraven @mcnado
a 3rd party divides the left vote and ensures MAGA domination
we need to take over the democrats. i don't like it. it's just the most feasible option
the problem with international observers like yourself is you come from a different voting system
the usa is FPTP
meaning there will only ever be 2 parties (we need RCV to fix that)
it's not corruption, it's math
educate yourself before commenting on the matter next time:
Incredible to think that people who can’t stand to vote for Genocide Party A are the ones who are doing the dividing.
This party is not reformable.
I will see you in another year when Schumer is still leader. -
@Pine_Affinity @JakeKb @Netraven @mcnado
and that's on you. because you didn't show up in the primaries to vote him out
-
There is ALWAYS something one won't agree with. People always have something to complain about, something they miss, they can have different opinions on something.
It is all about moving in the right, general direction. Holding hands with one another, moving together, getting on the bus accepting annoying stops, but knowing that in the end, we will end up where we want to be, and in the process getting rid of those who are not willing to move.The Democratic Party is moving to the right.
-
The Democratic Party is moving to the right.
-
Ben Royce says I can’t
-
@Pine_Affinity
Yes, you are asking for magic.At the time that you vote, ejection is not on the menu and wishing it to be is magical thinking
By all means demand that the party eject people who don't meet requirements, but if you abstain to vote, you hand your vote to the worst outcome
-
Because that doesn’t work.
Chuck Schumer responds to growing anger after he agreed to Republican spending bills
Senate Minority Leader rejected any calls for his resignation, standing behind his decision to vote with Republicans to keep the government open
The Independent (www.independent.co.uk)
@Pine_Affinity @Netraven @mcnado
voting doesn't work?
sitting there doing nothing but expecting centrist dems to change doesn't work
just fucking vote
in the primaries
replace them
that is how we fix it
all you are doing is arguing for a behavior, nonparticipation, which ensures fascism marches forward
why would you do that?
-
The Democratic Party is moving to the right.
Also, I really find 'left' and 'right' nonsensical and yet, everyone uses it. It's divisive.
