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  • sharknserg@plush.cityS sharknserg@plush.city

    Saw this elsewhere, thought it'd be a good to share here

    datn@xoxo.zoneD This user is from outside of this forum
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    datn@xoxo.zone
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    #33

    @sharkNserg I've explained small talk to many Germans. (they have their own small talk rituals, but many think they don't and like ragging on the American rituals they see on TV and among tourists.) I have one thing to add to OP's spot-on take:

    small talk is also a status check. if someone lacks spoons for small talk, something else might be up. unfortunately some use that check to gatekeep, but kind souls regard small-talk failure as an occasion to check in with a fellow human. "you ok?"

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    • sharknserg@plush.cityS sharknserg@plush.city

      Saw this elsewhere, thought it'd be a good to share here

      tenderleaves@donphan.socialT This user is from outside of this forum
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      tenderleaves@donphan.social
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      #34

      i love this so much. i've never really had an issue with talking small, and this kinda makes me feel less imposter syndromey about participating so much in it.

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      • navi@catcatnya.comN navi@catcatnya.com

        @ide @sharkNserg @Coffee counterpoint: any "anti-social" "psycho" (descriptors that are ableist when used as they are here) can hold smalltalk.

        ide@masto.aiI This user is from outside of this forum
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        #35

        @navi @sharkNserg @Coffee
        Couldn't come up with a succinct descriptor for a-person-you-don't-want-to-associate-with, you could replace it with a "chud" or whatever.
        Point being you get a pretty good read on a person based on how they approach you, interact with you and how they respond to social cues. Doing the whole cumbersome social dance of small talk helps with sussing that out.

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        • ide@masto.aiI ide@masto.ai

          @navi @sharkNserg @Coffee
          Couldn't come up with a succinct descriptor for a-person-you-don't-want-to-associate-with, you could replace it with a "chud" or whatever.
          Point being you get a pretty good read on a person based on how they approach you, interact with you and how they respond to social cues. Doing the whole cumbersome social dance of small talk helps with sussing that out.

          navi@catcatnya.comN This user is from outside of this forum
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          #36

          @ide @sharkNserg @Coffee unfortunately, your assumption sounds to me like the introduction of the double-empathy problem.

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          • navi@catcatnya.comN navi@catcatnya.com

            @ide @sharkNserg @Coffee unfortunately, your assumption sounds to me like the introduction of the double-empathy problem.

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            #37

            @navi @sharkNserg @Coffee
            Eh, if there's a serious enough compatibility problem at small talk level I don't think most people would see much prospects for a deeper relationship/association, one way or the other.

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            • ide@masto.aiI ide@masto.ai

              @navi @sharkNserg @Coffee
              Eh, if there's a serious enough compatibility problem at small talk level I don't think most people would see much prospects for a deeper relationship/association, one way or the other.

              navi@catcatnya.comN This user is from outside of this forum
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              #38

              @ide @sharkNserg @Coffee this is true, but not for the reason one might think

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              • sharknserg@plush.cityS sharknserg@plush.city

                if you dislike small talk: this post isn't to convince you to like it

                It's only to explain, if you have ever thought "small talk is so pointless and I don't understand why people do it", well, why they do it

                xenophora@mastodon.artX This user is from outside of this forum
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                #39

                @sharkNserg

                Getting canceled on Fedi for my pro-normie urges. This is a trap, isn't it?

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                • sharknserg@plush.cityS sharknserg@plush.city

                  Saw this elsewhere, thought it'd be a good to share here

                  janneke@todon.nlJ This user is from outside of this forum
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                  janneke@todon.nl
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                  #40

                  @sharkNserg
                  I get checking in and aligning, but why so indirect, and awkwardly empty and shallow?

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                  • sharknserg@plush.cityS sharknserg@plush.city

                    if you dislike small talk: this post isn't to convince you to like it

                    It's only to explain, if you have ever thought "small talk is so pointless and I don't understand why people do it", well, why they do it

                    janneke@todon.nlJ This user is from outside of this forum
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                    #41

                    @sharkNserg
                    Should have read this disclaimer before replying l, thanks.

                    As small talk usually is an amazing downer for me, it's good to know this.

                    Knowing this, it might be OK to not engage and instead try to do a friendly checkin, possibly by opening up sharing your own state first?

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                    • ide@masto.aiI ide@masto.ai

                      @Coffee @sharkNserg
                      Having an actual social interaction gives a lot more information to both parties. Any anti-social psycho can make cat noises.

                      mo@mastodon.mlM This user is from outside of this forum
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                      #42

                      @ide so any «anti-social psycho» can talk about weather. And?

                      meowing IS a social interaction, too

                      @Coffee @sharkNserg

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                      • ide@masto.aiI ide@masto.ai

                        @Coffee @sharkNserg
                        Having an actual social interaction gives a lot more information to both parties. Any anti-social psycho can make cat noises.

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                        #43

                        @ide@masto.ai @sharkNserg@plush.city @Coffee@toot.cafe antisocial psychos who make cat noises,,,,,,,,,,,,,, ​​​​​​

                        @mo@mastodon.ml

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                        • sharknserg@plush.cityS sharknserg@plush.city

                          Saw this elsewhere, thought it'd be a good to share here

                          beth@weird.autosB This user is from outside of this forum
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                          #44

                          @sharkNserg this is how I talk to all the men I deliver parts to despite hating talking to men.

                          Works almost every time B3

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                          • sharknserg@plush.cityS sharknserg@plush.city

                            Saw this elsewhere, thought it'd be a good to share here

                            hugo@social.treehouse.systemsH This user is from outside of this forum
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                            #45

                            @sharkNserg our little introduction rituals

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                            • billiglarper@rollenspiel.socialB billiglarper@rollenspiel.social

                              @adar @sharkNserg

                              A not so secret trick to small talk is to ask the other person about themselves with open questions, imho.

                              People like to talk about the stuff they care about, and just having an active listener makes them feel seen.

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                              #46

                              @billiglarper @adar @sharkNserg Any tips for making it sound less like an interrogation?

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                              • coffee@toot.cafeC coffee@toot.cafe

                                @sharkNserg Okay, but why can't we just meow at each other? It would make things so much easier...

                                vesen@chaos.socialV This user is from outside of this forum
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                                #47

                                @Coffee @sharkNserg i think just walking up to someone and meow will work too. 😺

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                                • sharknserg@plush.cityS sharknserg@plush.city

                                  Saw this elsewhere, thought it'd be a good to share here

                                  petrichorsquirrel@meow.socialP This user is from outside of this forum
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                                  #48

                                  @sharkNserg when people rail against small talk I'm always left internally asking myself "so, what, like a psychopath or something?"

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                                  • janneke@todon.nlJ janneke@todon.nl

                                    @sharkNserg
                                    Should have read this disclaimer before replying l, thanks.

                                    As small talk usually is an amazing downer for me, it's good to know this.

                                    Knowing this, it might be OK to not engage and instead try to do a friendly checkin, possibly by opening up sharing your own state first?

                                    sharknserg@plush.cityS This user is from outside of this forum
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                                    #49

                                    @janneke that's reasonable enough!

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                                    • petrichorsquirrel@meow.socialP petrichorsquirrel@meow.social

                                      @sharkNserg when people rail against small talk I'm always left internally asking myself "so, what, like a psychopath or something?"

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                                      #50

                                      @PetrichorSquirrel it's fine to not like it and be bad at it and wish you didn't have to do it, honestly, I just wish it didn't so often turn into pathologizing people that *are* okay with it

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                                      • sharknserg@plush.cityS sharknserg@plush.city

                                        @janneke that's reasonable enough!

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                                        #51

                                        @sharkNserg
                                        I was going to say, why don't they teach this sort of stuff in school or so, and then I wondered, how come typical folks somehow all know/learn such unwritten, amazingly silly, rules?

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                                        • sharknserg@plush.cityS sharknserg@plush.city

                                          Saw this elsewhere, thought it'd be a good to share here

                                          sharknserg@plush.cityS This user is from outside of this forum
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                                          #52

                                          Based on my replies, I get the feeling people on Fedi are more likely to feel attacked by this, so, please take my reassurance:

                                          It is ok to not like small talk, it is okay to be bad at it, it is okay to wish you didn't get put into situations where you feel like you're forced into it

                                          All this post is for is demystifying why others do it and why it's not bad or shallow that they do it

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