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Black woman: Black people don’t feel comfortable on Mastodon and Bluesky!!

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  • macacator@mastodon.socialM macacator@mastodon.social

    @skinnylatte black people aren't safe anywhere, especially in spaces controlled by white people.

    psoul@sfba.socialP This user is from outside of this forum
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    #24

    @macacator @skinnylatte I know it’s not much but black people are safe, cherished and valued with me.

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    • skinnylatte@hachyderm.ioS skinnylatte@hachyderm.io

      Black woman: Black people don’t feel comfortable on Mastodon and Bluesky!!

      Everyone else: here’s why you’re wrong and I know better than you!

      Honestly some of y’all sound like the ‘I have one minority friend and they say it’s okay for me to say X’ type of people

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      @skinnylatte That conversation was excruciating

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      • skinnylatte@hachyderm.ioS skinnylatte@hachyderm.io

        Black woman: Black people don’t feel comfortable on Mastodon and Bluesky!!

        Everyone else: here’s why you’re wrong and I know better than you!

        Honestly some of y’all sound like the ‘I have one minority friend and they say it’s okay for me to say X’ type of people

        ginevracat@toot.communityG This user is from outside of this forum
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        Fellow white people:
        If you've ever said "Believe women" but then posted this kind of response to a Black woman, SHAME, SHAME on you.
        @skinnylatte

        And if you don't think you should believe women, fuck off.

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        • oldredsubby@sfba.socialO oldredsubby@sfba.social

          @skinnylatte this is an important point. Thank you. I’ve seen that as well.

          Bluesky is very wealthy white centric. Now with a private equity CEO & AI I am thinking it will become more exclusive

          Mastodon is very white European centric. It still has the potential to be more inclusive with time.

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          @oldredsubby @skinnylatte It is important to recognize that the lived experiences of Black Americans, are distinct from the 1.6 billion people globally with whom they share partial ancestry. Conflating isolated viewpoints as the collective position of all, erroneously constructs a monolithic narrative.

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          • skinnylatte@hachyderm.ioS skinnylatte@hachyderm.io

            Black woman: Black people don’t feel comfortable on Mastodon and Bluesky!!

            Everyone else: here’s why you’re wrong and I know better than you!

            Honestly some of y’all sound like the ‘I have one minority friend and they say it’s okay for me to say X’ type of people

            winterknight1337@infosec.exchangeW This user is from outside of this forum
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            #28

            @skinnylatte my fellow white guys could really stand to learn to listen to people who aren’t themselves every once in a while.

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            • maxleibman@beige.partyM maxleibman@beige.party

              @skinnylatte My question to anyone taking that stance: why didn’t Blacksky happen here, then?

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              @maxleibman @skinnylatte My guess, admittedly having no involvement with Blacksky and likely missing some technical details, is something to do with how server federating works with ActivityPub vs ATProto

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              • skinnylatte@hachyderm.ioS skinnylatte@hachyderm.io

                Black woman: Black people don’t feel comfortable on Mastodon and Bluesky!!

                Everyone else: here’s why you’re wrong and I know better than you!

                Honestly some of y’all sound like the ‘I have one minority friend and they say it’s okay for me to say X’ type of people

                skinnylatte@hachyderm.ioS This user is from outside of this forum
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                #30

                some people here are like 'i'm color blind i don't know what color anyone is'

                well maybe you are the problem

                'color blindness' is wilful racism

                linuxandyarn@hachyderm.ioL sillycoelophysis@hachyderm.ioS anders_von_hadern@meerjungfrauengrotte.deA robertsmelser@toot.communityR jrose@social.belkadan.comJ 6 Replies Last reply
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                • maxleibman@beige.partyM maxleibman@beige.party

                  @skinnylatte My question to anyone taking that stance: why didn’t Blacksky happen here, then?

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                  @maxleibman @skinnylatte it did. It was called playvicious. But they got harassed out of here, too.

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                  • skinnylatte@hachyderm.ioS skinnylatte@hachyderm.io

                    some people here are like 'i'm color blind i don't know what color anyone is'

                    well maybe you are the problem

                    'color blindness' is wilful racism

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                    #32

                    @skinnylatte See color and appreciate color. That's the way to go.

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                    • saltywizard@beige.partyS saltywizard@beige.party

                      @skinnylatte

                      how can we make mastodon (and the greater fediverse) more welcoming for people of color?

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                      @saltywizard @skinnylatte For one, you give people here the tools they need to moderate their own conversations. Bluesky has been doing a lot on this front, and I think that's a big reason why, even though bsky isn't perfect for Black folks either, it's definitely doing a lot better.

                      You also make this place generally more accessible. It might not feel like it to the average techie, but some people feel you practically need a CS degree to be on here with how complicated the experience can be.

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                      • rrb@infosec.exchangeR rrb@infosec.exchange

                        @skinnylatte What can I do to help correct this?

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                        @rrb @skinnylatte don't know you dude but the first step is not to ask nonwhite people to help you learn not to alienate other nonwhite people (this is a genuine answer)

                        in other practical steps, please follow more Black users (and users of color in general) and think about and boost their posts. if you aren't sure the joke or whatever you want to make is going to land, if you don't know them in general, reply less. decide not to.

                        if racial dynamics confuse you, you should read some books too.

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                        • skinnylatte@hachyderm.ioS skinnylatte@hachyderm.io

                          some people here are like 'i'm color blind i don't know what color anyone is'

                          well maybe you are the problem

                          'color blindness' is wilful racism

                          sillycoelophysis@hachyderm.ioS This user is from outside of this forum
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                          @skinnylatte kind of an ableist way to out oneself as racist, too

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                          • jabgoe2089@hub.netzgemeinde.euJ jabgoe2089@hub.netzgemeinde.eu
                            @Adrianna Tan
                            Everyone else: here’s why you’re wrong and I know better than you!

                            sounds bad. but the premise is still nonsensical. how do i know what skincolor the other people have?
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                            @jabgoe2089

                            My dude, people are talking about their personal experiences. "The premise is still nonsensical" is still dismissive of their explicitly stated personal experience. This is exactly the kind of response (repeated dozens of times) that drives people away. Please try to listen.

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                            • skinnylatte@hachyderm.ioS skinnylatte@hachyderm.io

                              some people here are like 'i'm color blind i don't know what color anyone is'

                              well maybe you are the problem

                              'color blindness' is wilful racism

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                              @skinnylatte German word is Mitläufer (translation as follower is not strong enough - the term was coined during denazification for all those who played a part in not stopping the terror or finding cheap excuses for actively enabling it).

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                              • skinnylatte@hachyderm.ioS skinnylatte@hachyderm.io

                                some people here are like 'i'm color blind i don't know what color anyone is'

                                well maybe you are the problem

                                'color blindness' is wilful racism

                                robertsmelser@toot.communityR This user is from outside of this forum
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                                #38

                                @skinnylatte Yes! Louder for the people in back!

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                                • skinnylatte@hachyderm.ioS skinnylatte@hachyderm.io

                                  some people here are like 'i'm color blind i don't know what color anyone is'

                                  well maybe you are the problem

                                  'color blindness' is wilful racism

                                  jrose@social.belkadan.comJ This user is from outside of this forum
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                                  #39

                                  @skinnylatte (This message got disconnected from its thread in my timeline and I was very confused on first glance until I got to the third sentence.)

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                                  • skinnylatte@hachyderm.ioS skinnylatte@hachyderm.io

                                    some people here are like 'i'm color blind i don't know what color anyone is'

                                    well maybe you are the problem

                                    'color blindness' is wilful racism

                                    terribletowelie@mastodon.socialT This user is from outside of this forum
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                                    @skinnylatte maybe they are just saying they treat all the people the same, but go ahead and inturperate it as that for everyone if that makes you feel better about yourself

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                                    • jabgoe2089@hub.netzgemeinde.euJ jabgoe2089@hub.netzgemeinde.eu
                                      @Adrianna Tan
                                      Everyone else: here’s why you’re wrong and I know better than you!

                                      sounds bad. but the premise is still nonsensical. how do i know what skincolor the other people have?
                                      unchartedworlds@scicomm.xyzU This user is from outside of this forum
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                                      #41

                                      @jabgoe2089

                                      What premise is nonsensical specifically?

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                                      • terribletowelie@mastodon.socialT terribletowelie@mastodon.social

                                        @skinnylatte maybe they are just saying they treat all the people the same, but go ahead and inturperate it as that for everyone if that makes you feel better about yourself

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                                        #42

                                        @skinnylatte i hate all people in general and only like some individuals regardless of who or what they are or choose to be

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                                        • terribletowelie@mastodon.socialT terribletowelie@mastodon.social

                                          @skinnylatte maybe they are just saying they treat all the people the same, but go ahead and inturperate it as that for everyone if that makes you feel better about yourself

                                          mivox@mivox.netM This user is from outside of this forum
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                                          #43

                                          @terribletowelie @skinnylatte Impact trumps intent. If you’re feeling defensive about this, maybe sit with that a bit.

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