I am not One of the Good Trans.
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The emotionally mature position is to acknowledge N as both harmful and deeply harmed. They clearly have grown up with a lot of misogyny, and the amount of shame they're dealing with must dwarf my own. I mean, fuck, I'm picking it up second-hand from them.
Yet their unenviable position doesn't forgive their actions. Misogyny is misogyny.
20/The truth is that N, and of course Caitlyn Jenner, are the tip of the iceberg of objectionable trans people. Because, as I said, social change is not evenly distributed, there are a fuckload of closeted conservative trans people out there.
If we somehow ended transphobia tomorrow, we would find that the community of trans individuals have overnight become substantially more racist, sexist, ableist, homophobic, classist, fatphobic, etc etc etc
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The truth is that N, and of course Caitlyn Jenner, are the tip of the iceberg of objectionable trans people. Because, as I said, social change is not evenly distributed, there are a fuckload of closeted conservative trans people out there.
If we somehow ended transphobia tomorrow, we would find that the community of trans individuals have overnight become substantially more racist, sexist, ableist, homophobic, classist, fatphobic, etc etc etc
21/That's disquieting. Maybe that's another part of the reason why some of us want to pull closed that old "Good Trans" gate again. We want the trans community to be progressive and empathic and kind and unproblematic.
But it already isn't now and we can't make it be, not if we're successful in making transness more and more socially acceptable. Trans people are just people, from all walks of life, and bring their own social ills with them.
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That's disquieting. Maybe that's another part of the reason why some of us want to pull closed that old "Good Trans" gate again. We want the trans community to be progressive and empathic and kind and unproblematic.
But it already isn't now and we can't make it be, not if we're successful in making transness more and more socially acceptable. Trans people are just people, from all walks of life, and bring their own social ills with them.
22/Maybe it's past time to admit that "the trans community" is a fiction. Oh, there are trans communities, some of them wonderful. But none of them definitive.
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Maybe it's past time to admit that "the trans community" is a fiction. Oh, there are trans communities, some of them wonderful. But none of them definitive.
23/I think of the horrible transphobic trope that trans people inevitably go thru a "Nazi phase" before coming out.
Where does that trope originate? 4chan.
Kinda unsurprising that a website full of edgelords would end up concluding that every trans person is similarly an edgelord, because those are the ones they meet.
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I think of the horrible transphobic trope that trans people inevitably go thru a "Nazi phase" before coming out.
Where does that trope originate? 4chan.
Kinda unsurprising that a website full of edgelords would end up concluding that every trans person is similarly an edgelord, because those are the ones they meet.
24/Similarly, trans Reddit thinks that trans people are some way, and trans Bluesky thinks that trans people are some way, and trans Fedi thinks that trans people are some way, but these are illusions.
I tell you, there are trans people out there who have never hugged a Blåhaj and don't even like trains.
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Similarly, trans Reddit thinks that trans people are some way, and trans Bluesky thinks that trans people are some way, and trans Fedi thinks that trans people are some way, but these are illusions.
I tell you, there are trans people out there who have never hugged a Blåhaj and don't even like trains.
25/@Tattie Blasphemy! All hail Blåhaj!
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Similarly, trans Reddit thinks that trans people are some way, and trans Bluesky thinks that trans people are some way, and trans Fedi thinks that trans people are some way, but these are illusions.
I tell you, there are trans people out there who have never hugged a Blåhaj and don't even like trains.
25/And there are closeted trans people out there in conservative-fascist circles, who are pretty much indistinguishable in everyday life from the worst sort of misogynist cis white dudes— just like I once made myself indistinguishable from a shy geeky bearded dude. (And acted as one.)
And they for sure are so definitely Not One of the Good Trans that they make me look like One of the Good Trans.
And yet we are all trans.
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@Tattie Blasphemy! All hail Blåhaj!
@faithisleaping @Tattie HOW CAN THEY NOT LIKE TRAINS?????
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Similarly, trans Reddit thinks that trans people are some way, and trans Bluesky thinks that trans people are some way, and trans Fedi thinks that trans people are some way, but these are illusions.
I tell you, there are trans people out there who have never hugged a Blåhaj and don't even like trains.
25/@Tattie The tragedy of not having access to Blåhaj… or trains.
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@faithisleaping @Tattie HOW CAN THEY NOT LIKE TRAINS?????
@introvertcatto @faithisleaping all hail the Blåhaj train!
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When you're only permitted to explore your femininity as a "sex thing", then that's what you do.
I read erotic TG stories, consumed erotic art. I dressed up, stuffing my bra to ludicrous proportions. I fantasised, I wrote my own erotica. And each time when I was done, I put everything away, filled with shame and grief, and returned to the colourless male life I had to live.
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I am not One of the Good Trans. I have always said this.
What I mean is: I reject the framing that picks and chooses "acceptable" #trans people, and rejects and invalidates others.
1/@Tattie I remember the TS/TV divide of the eighties/nineties. I was one of the "good ones". It was all illegal so the two circles did overlap a bit for safety. On the TS side we had to meet very invasive criteria and we certainly had to avoid giving off a TV vibe. Sexuality had to be completely repressed. Full SRS was a legal requirement. The process took me away from any sense of authenticity and probably put another scoop of trauma in my head.
The TS/TV archetypes did so much damage. I am sorry you were misdirected onto such a long and painful journey.
I agree that people's private explorations shouldn't be used to attack anyone, even if they happen to be married to a reprehensible MAGA.
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And there are closeted trans people out there in conservative-fascist circles, who are pretty much indistinguishable in everyday life from the worst sort of misogynist cis white dudes— just like I once made myself indistinguishable from a shy geeky bearded dude. (And acted as one.)
And they for sure are so definitely Not One of the Good Trans that they make me look like One of the Good Trans.
And yet we are all trans.
Fin/@Tattie *ponders*
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Similarly, trans Reddit thinks that trans people are some way, and trans Bluesky thinks that trans people are some way, and trans Fedi thinks that trans people are some way, but these are illusions.
I tell you, there are trans people out there who have never hugged a Blåhaj and don't even like trains.
25/@Tattie TBF i had no idea about the blåhaj thing until i joined mastodon, but have had at least SOME idea i was trans since like 1998.
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Similarly, trans Reddit thinks that trans people are some way, and trans Bluesky thinks that trans people are some way, and trans Fedi thinks that trans people are some way, but these are illusions.
I tell you, there are trans people out there who have never hugged a Blåhaj and don't even like trains.
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@Tattie TBF i had no idea about the blåhaj thing until i joined mastodon, but have had at least SOME idea i was trans since like 1998.
@peachfiend a decade before Blåhaj was even produced!
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I am not One of the Good Trans. I have always said this.
What I mean is: I reject the framing that picks and chooses "acceptable" #trans people, and rejects and invalidates others.
1/@Tattie Tattie, what an amazing thread. Some of those parts must have been very personal, thanks for sharing!
Another example of a trans person existing in a conservative space: me as a child. It was years after leaving my conservative church and becoming ever more leftist and progressive before I even found out trans people existed and (gasp) I was one!
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@faithisleaping @Tattie HOW CAN THEY NOT LIKE TRAINS?????
@introvertcatto @faithisleaping @Tattie It just comes naturally to some of us. I'm even autistic, just to rub salt into the wound
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The truth is that N, and of course Caitlyn Jenner, are the tip of the iceberg of objectionable trans people. Because, as I said, social change is not evenly distributed, there are a fuckload of closeted conservative trans people out there.
If we somehow ended transphobia tomorrow, we would find that the community of trans individuals have overnight become substantially more racist, sexist, ableist, homophobic, classist, fatphobic, etc etc etc
21/@Tattie As I periodically sum it up offline: a key part of "understanding" trans people is understanding the part where we're people.
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@Tattie Tattie, what an amazing thread. Some of those parts must have been very personal, thanks for sharing!
Another example of a trans person existing in a conservative space: me as a child. It was years after leaving my conservative church and becoming ever more leftist and progressive before I even found out trans people existed and (gasp) I was one!
@Tattie Had you asked me as a child/young adult"would you rather be a girl/woman" I probably wouldn't have dared to say yes, but it never popped into my head because it just didn't register as a possibility. Basically everything after LG in LGBT+ was a cultural blind spot. And yet looking back I now do recognize some of my bad feelings back then were gender dysphoria. But at the time I either felt shame or I brushed it aside as normal. It just never came to that conscious "I am a girl" thought.
