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I am not One of the Good Trans.

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  • tattie@eldritch.cafeT tattie@eldritch.cafe

    Speaking of shame, let's return to N. It has now emerged that N "wants to be trans", wants to transition, wants to change their name.

    How many times have I told a fellow transfem: "wanting to be a girl is enough"? That "wanting to be trans is the same as being trans"?

    I would be a hypocrite to not conclude exactly what I suspected at first glance: N is transfem.
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    And I know a lot of us don't want to believe that, because... they're awful. But statistically, some of us are gonna be.

    Denying N's femaleness because they're an awful person makes no more sense than denying Kristi's femaleness. She's a fucking fascist monster, but still a woman.

    Gender identity is not contingent on good behaviour.
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    • tattie@eldritch.cafeT tattie@eldritch.cafe

      And I know a lot of us don't want to believe that, because... they're awful. But statistically, some of us are gonna be.

      Denying N's femaleness because they're an awful person makes no more sense than denying Kristi's femaleness. She's a fucking fascist monster, but still a woman.

      Gender identity is not contingent on good behaviour.
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      But maybe a big reason we move to deny N's transness is because we know that every transfeminine person is judged by the actions of the worst of us. And that's the real fucking problem here.
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      • tattie@eldritch.cafeT tattie@eldritch.cafe

        But maybe a big reason we move to deny N's transness is because we know that every transfeminine person is judged by the actions of the worst of us. And that's the real fucking problem here.
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        I am not One of the Good Trans. That means, I am refusing a psychological split, where we divide the world into the good and the bad, the real and the false, the Us and the Them, the innocent and the menace.
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        • tattie@eldritch.cafeT tattie@eldritch.cafe

          I am not One of the Good Trans. That means, I am refusing a psychological split, where we divide the world into the good and the bad, the real and the false, the Us and the Them, the innocent and the menace.
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          #21

          The emotionally mature position is to acknowledge N as both harmful and deeply harmed. They clearly have grown up with a lot of misogyny, and the amount of shame they're dealing with must dwarf my own. I mean, fuck, I'm picking it up second-hand from them.

          Yet their unenviable position doesn't forgive their actions. Misogyny is misogyny.
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          • tattie@eldritch.cafeT tattie@eldritch.cafe

            The emotionally mature position is to acknowledge N as both harmful and deeply harmed. They clearly have grown up with a lot of misogyny, and the amount of shame they're dealing with must dwarf my own. I mean, fuck, I'm picking it up second-hand from them.

            Yet their unenviable position doesn't forgive their actions. Misogyny is misogyny.
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            The truth is that N, and of course Caitlyn Jenner, are the tip of the iceberg of objectionable trans people. Because, as I said, social change is not evenly distributed, there are a fuckload of closeted conservative trans people out there.

            If we somehow ended transphobia tomorrow, we would find that the community of trans individuals have overnight become substantially more racist, sexist, ableist, homophobic, classist, fatphobic, etc etc etc
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            • tattie@eldritch.cafeT tattie@eldritch.cafe

              The truth is that N, and of course Caitlyn Jenner, are the tip of the iceberg of objectionable trans people. Because, as I said, social change is not evenly distributed, there are a fuckload of closeted conservative trans people out there.

              If we somehow ended transphobia tomorrow, we would find that the community of trans individuals have overnight become substantially more racist, sexist, ableist, homophobic, classist, fatphobic, etc etc etc
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              #23

              That's disquieting. Maybe that's another part of the reason why some of us want to pull closed that old "Good Trans" gate again. We want the trans community to be progressive and empathic and kind and unproblematic.

              But it already isn't now and we can't make it be, not if we're successful in making transness more and more socially acceptable. Trans people are just people, from all walks of life, and bring their own social ills with them.
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              • tattie@eldritch.cafeT tattie@eldritch.cafe

                That's disquieting. Maybe that's another part of the reason why some of us want to pull closed that old "Good Trans" gate again. We want the trans community to be progressive and empathic and kind and unproblematic.

                But it already isn't now and we can't make it be, not if we're successful in making transness more and more socially acceptable. Trans people are just people, from all walks of life, and bring their own social ills with them.
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                Maybe it's past time to admit that "the trans community" is a fiction. Oh, there are trans communities, some of them wonderful. But none of them definitive.
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                • tattie@eldritch.cafeT tattie@eldritch.cafe

                  Maybe it's past time to admit that "the trans community" is a fiction. Oh, there are trans communities, some of them wonderful. But none of them definitive.
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                  #25

                  I think of the horrible transphobic trope that trans people inevitably go thru a "Nazi phase" before coming out.

                  Where does that trope originate? 4chan.

                  Kinda unsurprising that a website full of edgelords would end up concluding that every trans person is similarly an edgelord, because those are the ones they meet.
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                  • tattie@eldritch.cafeT tattie@eldritch.cafe

                    I think of the horrible transphobic trope that trans people inevitably go thru a "Nazi phase" before coming out.

                    Where does that trope originate? 4chan.

                    Kinda unsurprising that a website full of edgelords would end up concluding that every trans person is similarly an edgelord, because those are the ones they meet.
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                    Similarly, trans Reddit thinks that trans people are some way, and trans Bluesky thinks that trans people are some way, and trans Fedi thinks that trans people are some way, but these are illusions.

                    I tell you, there are trans people out there who have never hugged a Blåhaj and don't even like trains.
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                    • tattie@eldritch.cafeT tattie@eldritch.cafe

                      Similarly, trans Reddit thinks that trans people are some way, and trans Bluesky thinks that trans people are some way, and trans Fedi thinks that trans people are some way, but these are illusions.

                      I tell you, there are trans people out there who have never hugged a Blåhaj and don't even like trains.
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                      @Tattie Blasphemy! All hail Blåhaj!

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                      • tattie@eldritch.cafeT tattie@eldritch.cafe

                        Similarly, trans Reddit thinks that trans people are some way, and trans Bluesky thinks that trans people are some way, and trans Fedi thinks that trans people are some way, but these are illusions.

                        I tell you, there are trans people out there who have never hugged a Blåhaj and don't even like trains.
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                        And there are closeted trans people out there in conservative-fascist circles, who are pretty much indistinguishable in everyday life from the worst sort of misogynist cis white dudes— just like I once made myself indistinguishable from a shy geeky bearded dude. (And acted as one.)

                        And they for sure are so definitely Not One of the Good Trans that they make me look like One of the Good Trans.

                        And yet we are all trans.
                        Fin/

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                        • faithisleaping@anarres.familyF faithisleaping@anarres.family

                          @Tattie Blasphemy! All hail Blåhaj!

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                          @faithisleaping @Tattie HOW CAN THEY NOT LIKE TRAINS????? 🚂🚃🚃🚃🚃🚃

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                          • tattie@eldritch.cafeT tattie@eldritch.cafe

                            Similarly, trans Reddit thinks that trans people are some way, and trans Bluesky thinks that trans people are some way, and trans Fedi thinks that trans people are some way, but these are illusions.

                            I tell you, there are trans people out there who have never hugged a Blåhaj and don't even like trains.
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                            @Tattie The tragedy of not having access to Blåhaj… or trains.

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                            • introvertcatto@lgbtqia.spaceI introvertcatto@lgbtqia.space

                              @faithisleaping @Tattie HOW CAN THEY NOT LIKE TRAINS????? 🚂🚃🚃🚃🚃🚃

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                              @introvertcatto @faithisleaping all hail the Blåhaj train!

                              .
                              🚂 🚃🚃🚃🚃🚃

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                              • tattie@eldritch.cafeT tattie@eldritch.cafe

                                When you're only permitted to explore your femininity as a "sex thing", then that's what you do.

                                I read erotic TG stories, consumed erotic art. I dressed up, stuffing my bra to ludicrous proportions. I fantasised, I wrote my own erotica. And each time when I was done, I put everything away, filled with shame and grief, and returned to the colourless male life I had to live.
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                                @Tattie@eldritch.cafe ​​ Thank you for sharing. I knew I wasn't alone, but it's always nice to hear people living the same things.

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                                • tattie@eldritch.cafeT tattie@eldritch.cafe

                                  I am not One of the Good Trans. I have always said this.

                                  What I mean is: I reject the framing that picks and chooses "acceptable" #trans people, and rejects and invalidates others.
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                                  @Tattie I remember the TS/TV divide of the eighties/nineties. I was one of the "good ones". It was all illegal so the two circles did overlap a bit for safety. On the TS side we had to meet very invasive criteria and we certainly had to avoid giving off a TV vibe. Sexuality had to be completely repressed. Full SRS was a legal requirement. The process took me away from any sense of authenticity and probably put another scoop of trauma in my head.

                                  The TS/TV archetypes did so much damage. I am sorry you were misdirected onto such a long and painful journey.

                                  I agree that people's private explorations shouldn't be used to attack anyone, even if they happen to be married to a reprehensible MAGA.

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                                  • tattie@eldritch.cafeT tattie@eldritch.cafe

                                    And there are closeted trans people out there in conservative-fascist circles, who are pretty much indistinguishable in everyday life from the worst sort of misogynist cis white dudes— just like I once made myself indistinguishable from a shy geeky bearded dude. (And acted as one.)

                                    And they for sure are so definitely Not One of the Good Trans that they make me look like One of the Good Trans.

                                    And yet we are all trans.
                                    Fin/

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                                    @Tattie *ponders*

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                                    • tattie@eldritch.cafeT tattie@eldritch.cafe

                                      Similarly, trans Reddit thinks that trans people are some way, and trans Bluesky thinks that trans people are some way, and trans Fedi thinks that trans people are some way, but these are illusions.

                                      I tell you, there are trans people out there who have never hugged a Blåhaj and don't even like trains.
                                      25/

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                                      @Tattie TBF i had no idea about the blåhaj thing until i joined mastodon, but have had at least SOME idea i was trans since like 1998.

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                                      • tattie@eldritch.cafeT tattie@eldritch.cafe

                                        Similarly, trans Reddit thinks that trans people are some way, and trans Bluesky thinks that trans people are some way, and trans Fedi thinks that trans people are some way, but these are illusions.

                                        I tell you, there are trans people out there who have never hugged a Blåhaj and don't even like trains.
                                        25/

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                                        @Tattie 🙀

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                                        • peachfiend@mastodon.sdf.orgP peachfiend@mastodon.sdf.org

                                          @Tattie TBF i had no idea about the blåhaj thing until i joined mastodon, but have had at least SOME idea i was trans since like 1998.

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                                          @peachfiend a decade before Blåhaj was even produced!

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