So, looking at job ads in the UK.

[jennyfluff@chitter.xyz]

@DarkSheepArts "creative environment" - how dare you ask to work remotely

[her_doing@sunny.garden]

@DarkSheepArts

I think a lot about all of these & I don't think your interpretations are wrong. They would all be red flags for me, especially 'busy, fast-paced environment', 'proactive self-starter', and 'motivated & committed' - they all feel like they would suck me dry and give zero support.

(Possibly because I have worked in all these jobs & that's exactly what happened.)

I want job listings that say "Job. Duties are A, B, C. Pay is X.'

Bonus if they give the vibe 'We're all reasonable & professional adults here & expect you to be too'.

[darksheeparts@mastoart.social]

@Her_Doing

Totally. There are plenty without this sort of language so it really stands out, too.

[c0debabe@masto.hackers.town]

@DarkSheepArts

oh yeah. there's a lot of consistent red-flag language job posts.

[nmo@tilde.zone]

@DarkSheepArts https://translate.kagi.com/?from=linkedin&to=en&text=%22Busy%2C+fast+paced+environment%22%0A%0A%22Friendly+team%22+%0A%0A%22Creative+environment%22%0A%0A%22Proactive+self+starter%22+%0A%0A%22Motivated+and+committed%22

Kagi translate gets it pretty close

[aadeacon@mastodon.social]

@DarkSheepArts Competitive remuneration:- we pay as little as possible.

[patterfloof@meow.social]

@Her_Doing @DarkSheepArts with the current place and general 2020s IT bullshittery, I could really do with a couple years in something that's "here's what you do every day, it's all fully known, we'll pay you"

[catwoman69y2k@meow.social]

@DarkSheepArts See, this is how I often interpret this too. I thought I was being narrowminded and/or negative about it

[darksheeparts@mastoart.social]

@Catwoman69y2k

I think they should be taken at face value - for my sector at least, there are enough jobs that don't use that language that I always think it's a bad sign when they do.

[graydon@canada.masto.host]

@DarkSheepArts There are some good places, but it's got so they're surprising.

(and the effort to make them not-good is of course not an accident; nothing consistent is an accident.)

[jalefkowit@vmst.io]

@Her_Doing @DarkSheepArts My favorite is when the business says "we're a family!", as if most families are not deeply dysfunctional

[venite@mastodon.nl]

@DarkSheepArts “organised and self-assured” - it’s total chaos over here and Nancy from accounting will actively try to break you

[darksheeparts@mastoart.social]

@jalefkowit

Oh God, I worked at one of those. Abolutely the reddest of red flags.

@Her_Doing

[grimoirebizarre@mastoart.social]

@DarkSheepArts "like family": Your supervisor will downplay your needs if you are disabled and without children, compared to the parents, and furthermore will act like they appointed themself your new parent. Also you are 12; that's how the theory works, right?

[kimlockhartga@beige.party]

@DarkSheepArts I have never understood the supposed allure of "fast-paced." Being a go-getter rarely gets rewarded, but rather just increases your workload so that you now work the jobs of two people, saving the company a ton of money.

[pseudonymsupreme@pnw.zone]

@DarkSheepArts This feels accurate.

[darksheeparts@mastoart.social]

@kimlockhartga

I've always wondered if it's in there so that when you complain that you're being expected to do three people's jobs, they can be like "we warned you it was fast paced and busy..."

[zenheathen@beige.party]

@DarkSheepArts "We're a family" - we'll never let you get a union in here

[plwt@mstdn.social]

@DarkSheepArts The "proactive self starter" one made me smile. A few years back I was interviewed for a very undefined role purely because I had been employed for the firm whose software they were migrating to.

Given my experiance of the project management at that previous firm was akin to watching squirrels on acid bobsledding, I declined the job offer.

[crow@irlqt.net]

@DarkSheepArts@mastoart.social these are great translations