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why is nobody using package managers anymore!!!!!

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  • jasmine@chaosfem.twJ jasmine@chaosfem.tw

    why is nobody using package managers anymore!!!!!

    it's all just bad shell scripts you're supposed to curl straight into bash and they've tested zero edge cases aarghg

    tech bros need to go back to preschool

    burnitdown@beige.partyB This user is from outside of this forum
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    #10

    @jasmine

    tech bros:

    : a sensible package manager
    : the linux equivalent of Dolphin.exe

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    • luc_coder@pleroma.envs.netL luc_coder@pleroma.envs.net
      @jasmine
      I agree but [insert disagreement] no, really! I would love an ideal solution yet the ecosystem is fragmented. Only covers-all solution I think of is npm but no one trusts it. However: when big corp or entities with money does this> zero excuses to publish actual debs,rpm,etc really
      arina@girlcock.clubA This user is from outside of this forum
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      #11

      @luc_coder @jasmine I agree that ecosystem fragmentation is a bitch, but I think there are better ways around it.
      Flatpak, Appimage, Homebrew...

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      • jasmine@chaosfem.twJ jasmine@chaosfem.tw

        or gopher

        ftp anything but this crap

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        #12

        ok i solved it

        i'll live-patch the update script to output the url instead of curling it, and then i'll do the download on a remote box via ssh and bring in the file with scp, easy

        maybe i'll make a shell script that does this for other installers using the same pattern too. i could call it bum, bro upgrade manager

        bum update

        or maybe i'll just call it πŸ‘

        using an emoji as the binary name, how's that for a pattern? such innovation

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        • jasmine@chaosfem.twJ jasmine@chaosfem.tw

          why is nobody using package managers anymore!!!!!

          it's all just bad shell scripts you're supposed to curl straight into bash and they've tested zero edge cases aarghg

          tech bros need to go back to preschool

          ivan@possum.cityI This user is from outside of this forum
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          #13

          @jasmine@chaosfem.tw

          Tailscale just has a script that automatically chooses where to install it from based on what package managers you have

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          • ivan@possum.cityI ivan@possum.city

            @jasmine@chaosfem.tw

            Tailscale just has a script that automatically chooses where to install it from based on what package managers you have

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            #14

            @ivan doesn't matter when the source 403's my IP

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            • jasmine@chaosfem.twJ jasmine@chaosfem.tw

              @ivan doesn't matter when the source 403's my IP

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              @jasmine@chaosfem.tw lol what was it?

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              • jasmine@chaosfem.twJ jasmine@chaosfem.tw

                why is nobody using package managers anymore!!!!!

                it's all just bad shell scripts you're supposed to curl straight into bash and they've tested zero edge cases aarghg

                tech bros need to go back to preschool

                marijn@chilemasto.casaM This user is from outside of this forum
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                @jasmine Because the pitch-deck calls for growning a trained userbase for when they're out of runway and the VCs make them pivot to selling you for pennies.

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                • jasmine@chaosfem.twJ jasmine@chaosfem.tw

                  ok i solved it

                  i'll live-patch the update script to output the url instead of curling it, and then i'll do the download on a remote box via ssh and bring in the file with scp, easy

                  maybe i'll make a shell script that does this for other installers using the same pattern too. i could call it bum, bro upgrade manager

                  bum update

                  or maybe i'll just call it πŸ‘

                  using an emoji as the binary name, how's that for a pattern? such innovation

                  jasmine@chaosfem.twJ This user is from outside of this forum
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                  #17

                  linux needs to add this to systemd

                  systemctl bro-install whatever

                  and then it auto-resolves that to https://whatever/install.sh

                  it's the perfect solution, the init package manager

                  hey isn't that nix

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                  • jasmine@chaosfem.twJ jasmine@chaosfem.tw

                    linux needs to add this to systemd

                    systemctl bro-install whatever

                    and then it auto-resolves that to https://whatever/install.sh

                    it's the perfect solution, the init package manager

                    hey isn't that nix

                    gildilinie@beige.partyG This user is from outside of this forum
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                    @jasmine systemd only uses custom formats so. sh is out

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                    • arina@girlcock.clubA arina@girlcock.club

                      @luc_coder @jasmine I agree that ecosystem fragmentation is a bitch, but I think there are better ways around it.
                      Flatpak, Appimage, Homebrew...

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                      #19
                      @arina
                      @jasmine

                      Yes. DMG, EXE and Appimage download on webbed site
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                      • gildilinie@beige.partyG gildilinie@beige.party

                        @jasmine systemd only uses custom formats so. sh is out

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                        @gildilinie it's usually bash scripts that won't work with sh though

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                        • jasmine@chaosfem.twJ jasmine@chaosfem.tw

                          ok i solved it

                          i'll live-patch the update script to output the url instead of curling it, and then i'll do the download on a remote box via ssh and bring in the file with scp, easy

                          maybe i'll make a shell script that does this for other installers using the same pattern too. i could call it bum, bro upgrade manager

                          bum update

                          or maybe i'll just call it πŸ‘

                          using an emoji as the binary name, how's that for a pattern? such innovation

                          anyia@lgbtqia.spaceA This user is from outside of this forum
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                          @jasmine somehow it feels like πŸ‘.sh would be even worse πŸ˜‚

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                          • anyia@lgbtqia.spaceA anyia@lgbtqia.space

                            @jasmine somehow it feels like πŸ‘.sh would be even worse πŸ˜‚

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                            @anyia no that's peak shell imo

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                              @zaire @jasmine @dhfir Is it though? The dangers and side effects are practically the same

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                              • jasmine@chaosfem.twJ jasmine@chaosfem.tw

                                why is nobody using package managers anymore!!!!!

                                it's all just bad shell scripts you're supposed to curl straight into bash and they've tested zero edge cases aarghg

                                tech bros need to go back to preschool

                                d1@autistics.lifeD This user is from outside of this forum
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                                @jasmine the detestable "bash-slammers" - I know the ones!

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                                • jasmine@chaosfem.twJ jasmine@chaosfem.tw

                                  why is nobody using package managers anymore!!!!!

                                  it's all just bad shell scripts you're supposed to curl straight into bash and they've tested zero edge cases aarghg

                                  tech bros need to go back to preschool

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                                  @jasmine

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