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why is nobody using package managers anymore!!!!!

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  • jasmine@chaosfem.twJ jasmine@chaosfem.tw

    why is nobody using package managers anymore!!!!!

    it's all just bad shell scripts you're supposed to curl straight into bash and they've tested zero edge cases aarghg

    tech bros need to go back to preschool

    jasmine@chaosfem.twJ This user is from outside of this forum
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    jasmine@chaosfem.tw
    wrote last edited by
    #2

    you are using a google bucket with a URL constructed by a weird bash script (not sh, bash), and google 403's my IP addresses

    yes hello tech bro support? where can i find your curl -fsSL https://host/list-mirrors.sh | bash url? because i need to use a mirror for your "automatic update"

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    • jasmine@chaosfem.twJ jasmine@chaosfem.tw

      you are using a google bucket with a URL constructed by a weird bash script (not sh, bash), and google 403's my IP addresses

      yes hello tech bro support? where can i find your curl -fsSL https://host/list-mirrors.sh | bash url? because i need to use a mirror for your "automatic update"

      jasmine@chaosfem.twJ This user is from outside of this forum
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      #3

      why not just use THE WEB

      jasmine@chaosfem.twJ melissabeartrix@gives.hugz.onlineM 2 Replies Last reply
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      • jasmine@chaosfem.twJ jasmine@chaosfem.tw

        why not just use THE WEB

        jasmine@chaosfem.twJ This user is from outside of this forum
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        wrote last edited by
        #4

        or gopher

        ftp anything but this crap

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        • jasmine@chaosfem.twJ jasmine@chaosfem.tw

          why is nobody using package managers anymore!!!!!

          it's all just bad shell scripts you're supposed to curl straight into bash and they've tested zero edge cases aarghg

          tech bros need to go back to preschool

          luc_coder@pleroma.envs.netL This user is from outside of this forum
          luc_coder@pleroma.envs.netL This user is from outside of this forum
          luc_coder@pleroma.envs.net
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          #5
          @jasmine
          I agree but [insert disagreement] no, really! I would love an ideal solution yet the ecosystem is fragmented. Only covers-all solution I think of is npm but no one trusts it. However: when big corp or entities with money does this> zero excuses to publish actual debs,rpm,etc really
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          • luc_coder@pleroma.envs.netL luc_coder@pleroma.envs.net
            @jasmine
            I agree but [insert disagreement] no, really! I would love an ideal solution yet the ecosystem is fragmented. Only covers-all solution I think of is npm but no one trusts it. However: when big corp or entities with money does this> zero excuses to publish actual debs,rpm,etc really
            jasmine@chaosfem.twJ This user is from outside of this forum
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            wrote last edited by
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            @luc_coder just put a download on a web page

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            • jasmine@chaosfem.twJ jasmine@chaosfem.tw

              why is nobody using package managers anymore!!!!!

              it's all just bad shell scripts you're supposed to curl straight into bash and they've tested zero edge cases aarghg

              tech bros need to go back to preschool

              dhfir@suya.placeD This user is from outside of this forum
              dhfir@suya.placeD This user is from outside of this forum
              dhfir@suya.place
              wrote last edited by
              #7
              @jasmine everyone moved to linux and now they're bringing that windows .exe mindset with them?
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              • jasmine@chaosfem.twJ jasmine@chaosfem.tw

                why not just use THE WEB

                melissabeartrix@gives.hugz.onlineM This user is from outside of this forum
                melissabeartrix@gives.hugz.onlineM This user is from outside of this forum
                melissabeartrix@gives.hugz.online
                wrote last edited by
                #8

                @jasmine

                Spiders

                Giggles

                Hugz & xXx

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                • dhfir@suya.placeD dhfir@suya.place
                  @jasmine everyone moved to linux and now they're bringing that windows .exe mindset with them?
                  jasmine@chaosfem.twJ This user is from outside of this forum
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                  @dhfir i have no idea, i miss bsd

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                  • jasmine@chaosfem.twJ jasmine@chaosfem.tw

                    why is nobody using package managers anymore!!!!!

                    it's all just bad shell scripts you're supposed to curl straight into bash and they've tested zero edge cases aarghg

                    tech bros need to go back to preschool

                    burnitdown@beige.partyB This user is from outside of this forum
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                    burnitdown@beige.party
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                    @jasmine

                    tech bros:

                    : a sensible package manager
                    : the linux equivalent of Dolphin.exe

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                    • luc_coder@pleroma.envs.netL luc_coder@pleroma.envs.net
                      @jasmine
                      I agree but [insert disagreement] no, really! I would love an ideal solution yet the ecosystem is fragmented. Only covers-all solution I think of is npm but no one trusts it. However: when big corp or entities with money does this> zero excuses to publish actual debs,rpm,etc really
                      arina@girlcock.clubA This user is from outside of this forum
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                      #11

                      @luc_coder @jasmine I agree that ecosystem fragmentation is a bitch, but I think there are better ways around it.
                      Flatpak, Appimage, Homebrew...

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                      • jasmine@chaosfem.twJ jasmine@chaosfem.tw

                        or gopher

                        ftp anything but this crap

                        jasmine@chaosfem.twJ This user is from outside of this forum
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                        wrote last edited by
                        #12

                        ok i solved it

                        i'll live-patch the update script to output the url instead of curling it, and then i'll do the download on a remote box via ssh and bring in the file with scp, easy

                        maybe i'll make a shell script that does this for other installers using the same pattern too. i could call it bum, bro upgrade manager

                        bum update

                        or maybe i'll just call it πŸ‘

                        using an emoji as the binary name, how's that for a pattern? such innovation

                        jasmine@chaosfem.twJ anyia@lgbtqia.spaceA 2 Replies Last reply
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                        • jasmine@chaosfem.twJ jasmine@chaosfem.tw

                          why is nobody using package managers anymore!!!!!

                          it's all just bad shell scripts you're supposed to curl straight into bash and they've tested zero edge cases aarghg

                          tech bros need to go back to preschool

                          ivan@possum.cityI This user is from outside of this forum
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                          #13

                          @jasmine@chaosfem.tw

                          Tailscale just has a script that automatically chooses where to install it from based on what package managers you have

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                          • ivan@possum.cityI ivan@possum.city

                            @jasmine@chaosfem.tw

                            Tailscale just has a script that automatically chooses where to install it from based on what package managers you have

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                            #14

                            @ivan doesn't matter when the source 403's my IP

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                            • jasmine@chaosfem.twJ jasmine@chaosfem.tw

                              @ivan doesn't matter when the source 403's my IP

                              ivan@possum.cityI This user is from outside of this forum
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                              @jasmine@chaosfem.tw lol what was it?

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                              • jasmine@chaosfem.twJ jasmine@chaosfem.tw

                                why is nobody using package managers anymore!!!!!

                                it's all just bad shell scripts you're supposed to curl straight into bash and they've tested zero edge cases aarghg

                                tech bros need to go back to preschool

                                marijn@chilemasto.casaM This user is from outside of this forum
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                                marijn@chilemasto.casa
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                                #16

                                @jasmine Because the pitch-deck calls for growning a trained userbase for when they're out of runway and the VCs make them pivot to selling you for pennies.

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                                • jasmine@chaosfem.twJ jasmine@chaosfem.tw

                                  ok i solved it

                                  i'll live-patch the update script to output the url instead of curling it, and then i'll do the download on a remote box via ssh and bring in the file with scp, easy

                                  maybe i'll make a shell script that does this for other installers using the same pattern too. i could call it bum, bro upgrade manager

                                  bum update

                                  or maybe i'll just call it πŸ‘

                                  using an emoji as the binary name, how's that for a pattern? such innovation

                                  jasmine@chaosfem.twJ This user is from outside of this forum
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                                  wrote last edited by
                                  #17

                                  linux needs to add this to systemd

                                  systemctl bro-install whatever

                                  and then it auto-resolves that to https://whatever/install.sh

                                  it's the perfect solution, the init package manager

                                  hey isn't that nix

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                                  • jasmine@chaosfem.twJ jasmine@chaosfem.tw

                                    linux needs to add this to systemd

                                    systemctl bro-install whatever

                                    and then it auto-resolves that to https://whatever/install.sh

                                    it's the perfect solution, the init package manager

                                    hey isn't that nix

                                    gildilinie@beige.partyG This user is from outside of this forum
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                                    @jasmine systemd only uses custom formats so. sh is out

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                                    • arina@girlcock.clubA arina@girlcock.club

                                      @luc_coder @jasmine I agree that ecosystem fragmentation is a bitch, but I think there are better ways around it.
                                      Flatpak, Appimage, Homebrew...

                                      luc_coder@pleroma.envs.netL This user is from outside of this forum
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                                      luc_coder@pleroma.envs.net
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                                      @arina
                                      @jasmine

                                      Yes. DMG, EXE and Appimage download on webbed site
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                                      • gildilinie@beige.partyG gildilinie@beige.party

                                        @jasmine systemd only uses custom formats so. sh is out

                                        jasmine@chaosfem.twJ This user is from outside of this forum
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                                        @gildilinie it's usually bash scripts that won't work with sh though

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                                        • jasmine@chaosfem.twJ jasmine@chaosfem.tw

                                          ok i solved it

                                          i'll live-patch the update script to output the url instead of curling it, and then i'll do the download on a remote box via ssh and bring in the file with scp, easy

                                          maybe i'll make a shell script that does this for other installers using the same pattern too. i could call it bum, bro upgrade manager

                                          bum update

                                          or maybe i'll just call it πŸ‘

                                          using an emoji as the binary name, how's that for a pattern? such innovation

                                          anyia@lgbtqia.spaceA This user is from outside of this forum
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                                          #21

                                          @jasmine somehow it feels like πŸ‘.sh would be even worse πŸ˜‚

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