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why is nobody using package managers anymore!!!!!

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  • jasmine@chaosfem.twJ jasmine@chaosfem.tw

    you are using a google bucket with a URL constructed by a weird bash script (not sh, bash), and google 403's my IP addresses

    yes hello tech bro support? where can i find your curl -fsSL https://host/list-mirrors.sh | bash url? because i need to use a mirror for your "automatic update"

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    why not just use THE WEB

    jasmine@chaosfem.twJ melissabeartrix@gives.hugz.onlineM 2 Replies Last reply
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    • jasmine@chaosfem.twJ jasmine@chaosfem.tw

      why not just use THE WEB

      jasmine@chaosfem.twJ This user is from outside of this forum
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      #4

      or gopher

      ftp anything but this crap

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      • jasmine@chaosfem.twJ jasmine@chaosfem.tw

        why is nobody using package managers anymore!!!!!

        it's all just bad shell scripts you're supposed to curl straight into bash and they've tested zero edge cases aarghg

        tech bros need to go back to preschool

        luc_coder@pleroma.envs.netL This user is from outside of this forum
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        #5
        @jasmine
        I agree but [insert disagreement] no, really! I would love an ideal solution yet the ecosystem is fragmented. Only covers-all solution I think of is npm but no one trusts it. However: when big corp or entities with money does this> zero excuses to publish actual debs,rpm,etc really
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        • luc_coder@pleroma.envs.netL luc_coder@pleroma.envs.net
          @jasmine
          I agree but [insert disagreement] no, really! I would love an ideal solution yet the ecosystem is fragmented. Only covers-all solution I think of is npm but no one trusts it. However: when big corp or entities with money does this> zero excuses to publish actual debs,rpm,etc really
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          @luc_coder just put a download on a web page

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          • jasmine@chaosfem.twJ jasmine@chaosfem.tw

            why is nobody using package managers anymore!!!!!

            it's all just bad shell scripts you're supposed to curl straight into bash and they've tested zero edge cases aarghg

            tech bros need to go back to preschool

            dhfir@suya.placeD This user is from outside of this forum
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            @jasmine everyone moved to linux and now they're bringing that windows .exe mindset with them?
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            • jasmine@chaosfem.twJ jasmine@chaosfem.tw

              why not just use THE WEB

              melissabeartrix@gives.hugz.onlineM This user is from outside of this forum
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              melissabeartrix@gives.hugz.online
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              @jasmine

              Spiders

              Giggles

              Hugz & xXx

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              • dhfir@suya.placeD dhfir@suya.place
                @jasmine everyone moved to linux and now they're bringing that windows .exe mindset with them?
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                @dhfir i have no idea, i miss bsd

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                • jasmine@chaosfem.twJ jasmine@chaosfem.tw

                  why is nobody using package managers anymore!!!!!

                  it's all just bad shell scripts you're supposed to curl straight into bash and they've tested zero edge cases aarghg

                  tech bros need to go back to preschool

                  burnitdown@beige.partyB This user is from outside of this forum
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                  @jasmine

                  tech bros:

                  : a sensible package manager
                  : the linux equivalent of Dolphin.exe

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                  • luc_coder@pleroma.envs.netL luc_coder@pleroma.envs.net
                    @jasmine
                    I agree but [insert disagreement] no, really! I would love an ideal solution yet the ecosystem is fragmented. Only covers-all solution I think of is npm but no one trusts it. However: when big corp or entities with money does this> zero excuses to publish actual debs,rpm,etc really
                    arina@girlcock.clubA This user is from outside of this forum
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                    #11

                    @luc_coder @jasmine I agree that ecosystem fragmentation is a bitch, but I think there are better ways around it.
                    Flatpak, Appimage, Homebrew...

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                    • jasmine@chaosfem.twJ jasmine@chaosfem.tw

                      or gopher

                      ftp anything but this crap

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                      #12

                      ok i solved it

                      i'll live-patch the update script to output the url instead of curling it, and then i'll do the download on a remote box via ssh and bring in the file with scp, easy

                      maybe i'll make a shell script that does this for other installers using the same pattern too. i could call it bum, bro upgrade manager

                      bum update

                      or maybe i'll just call it πŸ‘

                      using an emoji as the binary name, how's that for a pattern? such innovation

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                      • jasmine@chaosfem.twJ jasmine@chaosfem.tw

                        why is nobody using package managers anymore!!!!!

                        it's all just bad shell scripts you're supposed to curl straight into bash and they've tested zero edge cases aarghg

                        tech bros need to go back to preschool

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                        @jasmine@chaosfem.tw

                        Tailscale just has a script that automatically chooses where to install it from based on what package managers you have

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                        • ivan@possum.cityI ivan@possum.city

                          @jasmine@chaosfem.tw

                          Tailscale just has a script that automatically chooses where to install it from based on what package managers you have

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                          @ivan doesn't matter when the source 403's my IP

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                          • jasmine@chaosfem.twJ jasmine@chaosfem.tw

                            @ivan doesn't matter when the source 403's my IP

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                            @jasmine@chaosfem.tw lol what was it?

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                            • jasmine@chaosfem.twJ jasmine@chaosfem.tw

                              why is nobody using package managers anymore!!!!!

                              it's all just bad shell scripts you're supposed to curl straight into bash and they've tested zero edge cases aarghg

                              tech bros need to go back to preschool

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                              @jasmine Because the pitch-deck calls for growning a trained userbase for when they're out of runway and the VCs make them pivot to selling you for pennies.

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                              • jasmine@chaosfem.twJ jasmine@chaosfem.tw

                                ok i solved it

                                i'll live-patch the update script to output the url instead of curling it, and then i'll do the download on a remote box via ssh and bring in the file with scp, easy

                                maybe i'll make a shell script that does this for other installers using the same pattern too. i could call it bum, bro upgrade manager

                                bum update

                                or maybe i'll just call it πŸ‘

                                using an emoji as the binary name, how's that for a pattern? such innovation

                                jasmine@chaosfem.twJ This user is from outside of this forum
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                                wrote last edited by
                                #17

                                linux needs to add this to systemd

                                systemctl bro-install whatever

                                and then it auto-resolves that to https://whatever/install.sh

                                it's the perfect solution, the init package manager

                                hey isn't that nix

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                                • jasmine@chaosfem.twJ jasmine@chaosfem.tw

                                  linux needs to add this to systemd

                                  systemctl bro-install whatever

                                  and then it auto-resolves that to https://whatever/install.sh

                                  it's the perfect solution, the init package manager

                                  hey isn't that nix

                                  gildilinie@beige.partyG This user is from outside of this forum
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                                  @jasmine systemd only uses custom formats so. sh is out

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                                  • arina@girlcock.clubA arina@girlcock.club

                                    @luc_coder @jasmine I agree that ecosystem fragmentation is a bitch, but I think there are better ways around it.
                                    Flatpak, Appimage, Homebrew...

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                                    @arina
                                    @jasmine

                                    Yes. DMG, EXE and Appimage download on webbed site
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                                    • gildilinie@beige.partyG gildilinie@beige.party

                                      @jasmine systemd only uses custom formats so. sh is out

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                                      @gildilinie it's usually bash scripts that won't work with sh though

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                                      • jasmine@chaosfem.twJ jasmine@chaosfem.tw

                                        ok i solved it

                                        i'll live-patch the update script to output the url instead of curling it, and then i'll do the download on a remote box via ssh and bring in the file with scp, easy

                                        maybe i'll make a shell script that does this for other installers using the same pattern too. i could call it bum, bro upgrade manager

                                        bum update

                                        or maybe i'll just call it πŸ‘

                                        using an emoji as the binary name, how's that for a pattern? such innovation

                                        anyia@lgbtqia.spaceA This user is from outside of this forum
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                                        @jasmine somehow it feels like πŸ‘.sh would be even worse πŸ˜‚

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                                        • anyia@lgbtqia.spaceA anyia@lgbtqia.space

                                          @jasmine somehow it feels like πŸ‘.sh would be even worse πŸ˜‚

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                                          @anyia no that's peak shell imo

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