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why is nobody using package managers anymore!!!!!

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  • jasmine@chaosfem.twJ jasmine@chaosfem.tw

    why is nobody using package managers anymore!!!!!

    it's all just bad shell scripts you're supposed to curl straight into bash and they've tested zero edge cases aarghg

    tech bros need to go back to preschool

    luc_coder@pleroma.envs.netL This user is from outside of this forum
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    luc_coder@pleroma.envs.net
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    #5
    @jasmine
    I agree but [insert disagreement] no, really! I would love an ideal solution yet the ecosystem is fragmented. Only covers-all solution I think of is npm but no one trusts it. However: when big corp or entities with money does this> zero excuses to publish actual debs,rpm,etc really
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    • luc_coder@pleroma.envs.netL luc_coder@pleroma.envs.net
      @jasmine
      I agree but [insert disagreement] no, really! I would love an ideal solution yet the ecosystem is fragmented. Only covers-all solution I think of is npm but no one trusts it. However: when big corp or entities with money does this> zero excuses to publish actual debs,rpm,etc really
      jasmine@chaosfem.twJ This user is from outside of this forum
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      jasmine@chaosfem.tw
      wrote last edited by
      #6

      @luc_coder just put a download on a web page

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      • jasmine@chaosfem.twJ jasmine@chaosfem.tw

        why is nobody using package managers anymore!!!!!

        it's all just bad shell scripts you're supposed to curl straight into bash and they've tested zero edge cases aarghg

        tech bros need to go back to preschool

        dhfir@suya.placeD This user is from outside of this forum
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        dhfir@suya.place
        wrote last edited by
        #7
        @jasmine everyone moved to linux and now they're bringing that windows .exe mindset with them?
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        • jasmine@chaosfem.twJ jasmine@chaosfem.tw

          why not just use THE WEB

          melissabeartrix@gives.hugz.onlineM This user is from outside of this forum
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          melissabeartrix@gives.hugz.online
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          #8

          @jasmine

          Spiders

          Giggles

          Hugz & xXx

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          • dhfir@suya.placeD dhfir@suya.place
            @jasmine everyone moved to linux and now they're bringing that windows .exe mindset with them?
            jasmine@chaosfem.twJ This user is from outside of this forum
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            @dhfir i have no idea, i miss bsd

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            • jasmine@chaosfem.twJ jasmine@chaosfem.tw

              why is nobody using package managers anymore!!!!!

              it's all just bad shell scripts you're supposed to curl straight into bash and they've tested zero edge cases aarghg

              tech bros need to go back to preschool

              burnitdown@beige.partyB This user is from outside of this forum
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              burnitdown@beige.party
              wrote last edited by
              #10

              @jasmine

              tech bros:

              : a sensible package manager
              : the linux equivalent of Dolphin.exe

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              • luc_coder@pleroma.envs.netL luc_coder@pleroma.envs.net
                @jasmine
                I agree but [insert disagreement] no, really! I would love an ideal solution yet the ecosystem is fragmented. Only covers-all solution I think of is npm but no one trusts it. However: when big corp or entities with money does this> zero excuses to publish actual debs,rpm,etc really
                arina@girlcock.clubA This user is from outside of this forum
                arina@girlcock.clubA This user is from outside of this forum
                arina@girlcock.club
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                #11

                @luc_coder @jasmine I agree that ecosystem fragmentation is a bitch, but I think there are better ways around it.
                Flatpak, Appimage, Homebrew...

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                • jasmine@chaosfem.twJ jasmine@chaosfem.tw

                  or gopher

                  ftp anything but this crap

                  jasmine@chaosfem.twJ This user is from outside of this forum
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                  #12

                  ok i solved it

                  i'll live-patch the update script to output the url instead of curling it, and then i'll do the download on a remote box via ssh and bring in the file with scp, easy

                  maybe i'll make a shell script that does this for other installers using the same pattern too. i could call it bum, bro upgrade manager

                  bum update

                  or maybe i'll just call it πŸ‘

                  using an emoji as the binary name, how's that for a pattern? such innovation

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                  • jasmine@chaosfem.twJ jasmine@chaosfem.tw

                    why is nobody using package managers anymore!!!!!

                    it's all just bad shell scripts you're supposed to curl straight into bash and they've tested zero edge cases aarghg

                    tech bros need to go back to preschool

                    ivan@possum.cityI This user is from outside of this forum
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                    #13

                    @jasmine@chaosfem.tw

                    Tailscale just has a script that automatically chooses where to install it from based on what package managers you have

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                    • ivan@possum.cityI ivan@possum.city

                      @jasmine@chaosfem.tw

                      Tailscale just has a script that automatically chooses where to install it from based on what package managers you have

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                      #14

                      @ivan doesn't matter when the source 403's my IP

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                      • jasmine@chaosfem.twJ jasmine@chaosfem.tw

                        @ivan doesn't matter when the source 403's my IP

                        ivan@possum.cityI This user is from outside of this forum
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                        #15

                        @jasmine@chaosfem.tw lol what was it?

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                        • jasmine@chaosfem.twJ jasmine@chaosfem.tw

                          why is nobody using package managers anymore!!!!!

                          it's all just bad shell scripts you're supposed to curl straight into bash and they've tested zero edge cases aarghg

                          tech bros need to go back to preschool

                          marijn@chilemasto.casaM This user is from outside of this forum
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                          @jasmine Because the pitch-deck calls for growning a trained userbase for when they're out of runway and the VCs make them pivot to selling you for pennies.

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                          • jasmine@chaosfem.twJ jasmine@chaosfem.tw

                            ok i solved it

                            i'll live-patch the update script to output the url instead of curling it, and then i'll do the download on a remote box via ssh and bring in the file with scp, easy

                            maybe i'll make a shell script that does this for other installers using the same pattern too. i could call it bum, bro upgrade manager

                            bum update

                            or maybe i'll just call it πŸ‘

                            using an emoji as the binary name, how's that for a pattern? such innovation

                            jasmine@chaosfem.twJ This user is from outside of this forum
                            jasmine@chaosfem.twJ This user is from outside of this forum
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                            wrote last edited by
                            #17

                            linux needs to add this to systemd

                            systemctl bro-install whatever

                            and then it auto-resolves that to https://whatever/install.sh

                            it's the perfect solution, the init package manager

                            hey isn't that nix

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                            • jasmine@chaosfem.twJ jasmine@chaosfem.tw

                              linux needs to add this to systemd

                              systemctl bro-install whatever

                              and then it auto-resolves that to https://whatever/install.sh

                              it's the perfect solution, the init package manager

                              hey isn't that nix

                              gildilinie@beige.partyG This user is from outside of this forum
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                              #18

                              @jasmine systemd only uses custom formats so. sh is out

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                              • arina@girlcock.clubA arina@girlcock.club

                                @luc_coder @jasmine I agree that ecosystem fragmentation is a bitch, but I think there are better ways around it.
                                Flatpak, Appimage, Homebrew...

                                luc_coder@pleroma.envs.netL This user is from outside of this forum
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                                @arina
                                @jasmine

                                Yes. DMG, EXE and Appimage download on webbed site
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                                • gildilinie@beige.partyG gildilinie@beige.party

                                  @jasmine systemd only uses custom formats so. sh is out

                                  jasmine@chaosfem.twJ This user is from outside of this forum
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                                  @gildilinie it's usually bash scripts that won't work with sh though

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                                  • jasmine@chaosfem.twJ jasmine@chaosfem.tw

                                    ok i solved it

                                    i'll live-patch the update script to output the url instead of curling it, and then i'll do the download on a remote box via ssh and bring in the file with scp, easy

                                    maybe i'll make a shell script that does this for other installers using the same pattern too. i could call it bum, bro upgrade manager

                                    bum update

                                    or maybe i'll just call it πŸ‘

                                    using an emoji as the binary name, how's that for a pattern? such innovation

                                    anyia@lgbtqia.spaceA This user is from outside of this forum
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                                    #21

                                    @jasmine somehow it feels like πŸ‘.sh would be even worse πŸ˜‚

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                                    • anyia@lgbtqia.spaceA anyia@lgbtqia.space

                                      @jasmine somehow it feels like πŸ‘.sh would be even worse πŸ˜‚

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                                      @anyia no that's peak shell imo

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                                      • snep@y.diskcat.comS This user is from outside of this forum
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                                        @zaire @jasmine @dhfir Is it though? The dangers and side effects are practically the same

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                                        • jasmine@chaosfem.twJ jasmine@chaosfem.tw

                                          why is nobody using package managers anymore!!!!!

                                          it's all just bad shell scripts you're supposed to curl straight into bash and they've tested zero edge cases aarghg

                                          tech bros need to go back to preschool

                                          d1@autistics.lifeD This user is from outside of this forum
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                                          @jasmine the detestable "bash-slammers" - I know the ones!

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