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  3. Ich bin dem offiziellen GrapheneOS-Konto gerade entfolgt – nicht, weil ich das Projekt nicht schätze.

Ich bin dem offiziellen GrapheneOS-Konto gerade entfolgt – nicht, weil ich das Projekt nicht schätze.

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  • troed@swecyb.comT troed@swecyb.com

    @HybridStaticAnimate

    They do. I personally have the competence to see through them, and when I've done so they've gone on some paranoid delusion schtick believing I'm some form of enemy "out to get them".

    @kuketzblog

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    @troed @kuketzblog

    No, they do not. They speak neutrally and objectively. Thats not fear, uncertainty, or doubt. What you are describing is not competence, its apathy.

    I cannot fathom how a human being would look at claims made and evidence backing those claims and call that "paranoid delusion". You are either not bothering to read any of it or are willfully disregarding it. Of course they would say you are contributing to the abuse when you contribute to the abuse, did you expect a different result?

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    • hybridstaticanimate@infosec.exchangeH hybridstaticanimate@infosec.exchange

      @troed @kuketzblog

      No, they do not. They speak neutrally and objectively. Thats not fear, uncertainty, or doubt. What you are describing is not competence, its apathy.

      I cannot fathom how a human being would look at claims made and evidence backing those claims and call that "paranoid delusion". You are either not bothering to read any of it or are willfully disregarding it. Of course they would say you are contributing to the abuse when you contribute to the abuse, did you expect a different result?

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      @HybridStaticAnimate

      They post blatant misinformation regarding other open mobile projects - which they call "competitors".

      That's the very definition of FUD.

      I'm sure you're one of their best stans.

      @kuketzblog

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      • kuketzblog@social.tchncs.deK kuketzblog@social.tchncs.de

        Ich bin dem offiziellen GrapheneOS-Konto gerade entfolgt – nicht, weil ich das Projekt nicht schätze. Im Gegenteil: GrapheneOS ist im Bereich mobiler Sicherheit/Privacy weiterhin die beste Option.

        Was mich stört, sind die ständigen Seitenhiebe auf /e/OS, CalyxOS und andere Custom-ROMs - auch wenn die Kritik völlig legitim ist. Aber ich folge dem Account, um etwas über GrapheneOS zu lesen, nicht um regelmäßig zu erfahren, was andere in den Sand setzen. Wer ein starkes Projekt hat, sollte es für sich sprechen lassen.

        #GrapheneOS #Android #Privacy

        /kuk

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        @kuketzblog Tja, die Beziehung von IQ zu EQ ist meist eine antiproportionale 😅

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        • troed@swecyb.comT troed@swecyb.com

          @HybridStaticAnimate

          They post blatant misinformation regarding other open mobile projects - which they call "competitors".

          That's the very definition of FUD.

          I'm sure you're one of their best stans.

          @kuketzblog

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          @troed @kuketzblog

          They post verifiable, accurate information, with evidence. They explicitly do not call OSs made by scammers and liars "competitors" and have explained numerous times how these OSs arent competition at all. You have proven you havent bothered to investigate any of this in this very message. Your accusation of FUD *is* FUD. You are lying to people.

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          • lave@mstdn.socialL lave@mstdn.social

            @kuketzblog Tja, die Beziehung von IQ zu EQ ist meist eine antiproportionale 😅

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            @lave @kuketzblog

            Well thats just mean...

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            • hybridstaticanimate@infosec.exchangeH hybridstaticanimate@infosec.exchange

              @troed @kuketzblog

              They post verifiable, accurate information, with evidence. They explicitly do not call OSs made by scammers and liars "competitors" and have explained numerous times how these OSs arent competition at all. You have proven you havent bothered to investigate any of this in this very message. Your accusation of FUD *is* FUD. You are lying to people.

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              @HybridStaticAnimate

              No, they do not, and I've been in discussions here on Mastodon proving that as well. I simply know more about secure mobile phone concepts than the account that FUDs here.

              You, apparently, are easier to fool.

              @kuketzblog

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              • truhe@chaos.socialT truhe@chaos.social

                @kuketzblog Ich bin ihnen auch entfolgt. Ich verstehe vor allem nicht, weshalb das in dieser Frequenz hier gemacht werden muss, während sich auf der Website überhaupt nichts tut. Man müllt die Timeline der Follower zu 😖.

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                @truhe @kuketzblog

                People are being conditioned to avoid the website. It wouldnt be effective to counter things there. Misinfo has to be countered where it exists.

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                • troed@swecyb.comT troed@swecyb.com

                  @HybridStaticAnimate

                  No, they do not, and I've been in discussions here on Mastodon proving that as well. I simply know more about secure mobile phone concepts than the account that FUDs here.

                  You, apparently, are easier to fool.

                  @kuketzblog

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                  @troed @kuketzblog

                  You are proving your ignorance quite effectively.

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                  • hybridstaticanimate@infosec.exchangeH hybridstaticanimate@infosec.exchange

                    @troed @kuketzblog

                    You are proving your ignorance quite effectively.

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                    @HybridStaticAnimate

                    ... and you're a GrapheneOS sockpuppet account.

                    @kuketzblog

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                    • flx@norden.socialF flx@norden.social

                      @kuketzblog Ja, das Gejamere und die online ausgelebten Psychosen von @GrapheneOS waren für mich ein Grund, #GrapheneOS den Rücken zu kehren, als mein Pixel kaputt ging.

                      Will ich mich wirklich auf ein OS verlassen, dass scheinbar von psychisch instabilen Personen stammt?

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                      @flx @kuketzblog @GrapheneOS
                      Ich nutze GOS gerne und auch weiterhin, da es für mich das beste Custom ROM darstellt.
                      Ihr fürchte nur, dass diese öffentliche Schlammschlacht viele davon abgehalten wird GOS zu installieren.

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                      • troed@swecyb.comT troed@swecyb.com

                        @HybridStaticAnimate

                        ... and you're a GrapheneOS sockpuppet account.

                        @kuketzblog

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                        @troed @kuketzblog

                        I see you have run out of pseudotechnical FUD? Is this what you choose to resort to?

                        No, I am my own person doing this of my own free will. I am unassociated with GrapheneOS. I am merely helping where I can.

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                        • highfunctioningsociopath@mastodon.socialH highfunctioningsociopath@mastodon.social

                          @flx @kuketzblog @GrapheneOS
                          Ich nutze GOS gerne und auch weiterhin, da es für mich das beste Custom ROM darstellt.
                          Ihr fürchte nur, dass diese öffentliche Schlammschlacht viele davon abgehalten wird GOS zu installieren.

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                          @highfunctioningsociopath @flx @kuketzblog @GrapheneOS That’s criticism, not an attack. The projects mentioned are highly insecure and developers refuse to improve it. Some of them even attack GrapheneOS for spreading their false claims about privacy and security to sell more. If you think it’s “toxic”, think about how many activists will get arrested or even killed for using such projects.

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                            @ivorytusk @kuketzblog

                            GrapheneOS is here to stay. The pressure they suffer from attacks is not creating an existential concern, rather it is severely hindering progress they would otherwise make. Its a nigh superhuman level of abuse to deal with.

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                              @Life_is
                              Das ist wie in der Politik: Diejenigen mit besseren Intentionen für Alle zerfleischen sich untereinander, und die Großkonzerne profitieren vom Streit.

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                              • streetcoder@mastodon.socialS streetcoder@mastodon.social

                                @ivorytusk @kuketzblog Meldung der Entfolgung zeigt Verantwortung für die, die man rüber gezogen hat.

                                Ebenfalls von /e/ auf GOS gewechselt und muss sagen, es ist wahrsch. nicht frei im Sinne von RMS. Hat mich dazu verleitet dem Digitalzwang nachzugeben und den Play Store zu nutzen.

                                Hab jetzt eine Banking App und auch eine für den E-Roller und genau für solche Digitalzwangsituationen ist GOS das sicherste System.

                                Wir müssen offensichtlich lernen fair mit toxischen Genies umzugehen, nur wie?

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                                @streetcoder @ivorytusk @kuketzblog

                                The people behind GrapheneOS arent being toxic. Thats just a mean thing to say.

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                                • okuna@social.tchncs.deO okuna@social.tchncs.de

                                  @betterlife @kuketzblog siehe oben, für derartige Kommentare sind die Entwickler nicht so offen

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                                  @Okuna @betterlife @kuketzblog

                                  GrapheneOS is very open to criticism. What is often called criticism, however, is not. It is often used as an excuse to abuse others.

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                                  • hybridstaticanimate@infosec.exchangeH hybridstaticanimate@infosec.exchange

                                    @flx @kuketzblog @GrapheneOS

                                    The people behind GrapheneOS are not mentally unstable. That is a very rude thing to say.

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                                    @HybridStaticAnimate Most toots on the official account are a mixture of paranoia and hatred for other Android distributions.

                                    Apparently GrapheneOS team members are constantly attacked, swatted, harassed. A worldwide conspiracy against GOS. Then I saw that Louis Rossmann video: He had a little bit of legitimate criticism on GOS and GOS went mad, complained about his „harassment campaign“.

                                    We have a word for this: paranoia.

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                                    • kuketzblog@social.tchncs.deK kuketzblog@social.tchncs.de

                                      Ich bin dem offiziellen GrapheneOS-Konto gerade entfolgt – nicht, weil ich das Projekt nicht schätze. Im Gegenteil: GrapheneOS ist im Bereich mobiler Sicherheit/Privacy weiterhin die beste Option.

                                      Was mich stört, sind die ständigen Seitenhiebe auf /e/OS, CalyxOS und andere Custom-ROMs - auch wenn die Kritik völlig legitim ist. Aber ich folge dem Account, um etwas über GrapheneOS zu lesen, nicht um regelmäßig zu erfahren, was andere in den Sand setzen. Wer ein starkes Projekt hat, sollte es für sich sprechen lassen.

                                      #GrapheneOS #Android #Privacy

                                      /kuk

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                                      @kuketzblog Ich bin dort tatsächlich seit Jahren geblockt, nachdem ich mich hier im Fediverse mal positiv zu CalyxOS auf meinem Fairphone 4 (das übrigens gar nicht von GrapheneOS unterstützt wird) geäußert hatte. Das endete in wüsten Beschimpfungen seitens Daniel Micay, in denen er mich u.a. als "dishonest charlatan" bezeichnete und dann noch Drohungen gegen mich ausgesprochen hat. Von solchen Menschen möchte ich keine Software auf meinen Geräten haben.

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                                      • streetcoder@mastodon.socialS streetcoder@mastodon.social

                                        @ivorytusk @kuketzblog Gerade nochmal gesucht wie viele an GOS arbeiten. Scheint quasi immer noch ein Einmannprojekt zu sein.

                                        Die Argumente sind ja auch stets richtig, aber die Art und Weise mit Drohungen vergiften das Diskussionsklima. Wie man da faire Grenzen im Umgang etablieren kann ist fraglich.

                                        Vertrauen auf langfristigen Projekterfolg stellt sich da nicht ein. Falls das richtig knallt, ist mein Plan B eben zwei Handys einzusetzen. Eins für Digitalzwänge u. ein anderes Custom ROM.

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                                        @streetcoder @ivorytusk @kuketzblog

                                        GrapheneOS has a paid, full-time team of developers. It is not one person doing development.

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                                        • tjr22@social.vivaldi.netT tjr22@social.vivaldi.net

                                          @betterlife

                                          a) Woher weißt du, dass Mike das nicht getan hat?
                                          b) Aus eigener Erfahrung sind die Personen, die die Außenkommuniation von GOS betreuen, weder kritikfähig noch an einem Dialog interessiert.
                                          c) Wenn Mike dem Account von GOS entfolgt und dies kundtut hat er auf welche Weise den Account gecancelt? Der ist immer noch da und kann gefolgt werden?

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                                          @tjr22 @betterlife

                                          The people behind GrapheneOS are open to criticism and discussion. But that is very often not what GrapheneOS is met with.

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