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  3. Ich bin dem offiziellen GrapheneOS-Konto gerade entfolgt – nicht, weil ich das Projekt nicht schätze.

Ich bin dem offiziellen GrapheneOS-Konto gerade entfolgt – nicht, weil ich das Projekt nicht schätze.

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  • hybridstaticanimate@infosec.exchangeH hybridstaticanimate@infosec.exchange

    @Okuna @betterlife @kuketzblog

    The Mastodon translation software may have screwed that one up, can you rephrase?

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    @HybridStaticAnimate @betterlife @kuketzblog one more comment: When I was in the forum and had technical issues with the installation I got quick, competent and patient support

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    • hybridstaticanimate@infosec.exchangeH hybridstaticanimate@infosec.exchange

      @kuketzblog

      I appreciate you clarifying that your issue does not lie with GrapheneOS, and that you just wish to see GrapheneOS related posts.

      But GrapheneOS does not make "digs" at other projects (assuming the translation software translated it correctly).

      This post was incredibly irresponsible to make. The primary thing it seems to be accomplishing is spreading misinformation and hateful content in the replies. I implore you to reconsider having this post up.

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      @HybridStaticAnimate @kuketzblog I'd sincerely urge you and the team to find someone you trust has your best interests at heart and feel safe with to provide you feedback on how the communication style is externally perceived.

      I assume all of us in this thread sharing the same impression and arriving at similar conclusions are just part of an irresponsible harassment campaign. Is that statistically likely?

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      • hybridstaticanimate@infosec.exchangeH hybridstaticanimate@infosec.exchange

        @norbert @kuketzblog

        The project accounts are managed by multiple people and nobody threatened you.

        Why are you trying to attack someone specific? Why are you attacking anyone at all?

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        @HybridStaticAnimate I am not attacking anyone. Daniel attacked me from his personal account.
        @kuketzblog

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        • kuketzblog@social.tchncs.deK kuketzblog@social.tchncs.de

          Ich bin dem offiziellen GrapheneOS-Konto gerade entfolgt – nicht, weil ich das Projekt nicht schätze. Im Gegenteil: GrapheneOS ist im Bereich mobiler Sicherheit/Privacy weiterhin die beste Option.

          Was mich stört, sind die ständigen Seitenhiebe auf /e/OS, CalyxOS und andere Custom-ROMs - auch wenn die Kritik völlig legitim ist. Aber ich folge dem Account, um etwas über GrapheneOS zu lesen, nicht um regelmäßig zu erfahren, was andere in den Sand setzen. Wer ein starkes Projekt hat, sollte es für sich sprechen lassen.

          #GrapheneOS #Android #Privacy

          /kuk

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          @kuketzblog

          Ich kann den Ärger von #grapheneos nachvollziehen.

          Der Chef von Morena und e wirft ihnen offen vor, ein Pädophilen-Produkt zu entwickeln und zu vertreiben.

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          GrapheneOS (@GrapheneOS@grapheneos.social)

          Attached: 1 video Gaël Duval is the founder and president of the /e/ foundation along with the CEO of Murena. Duval and his organizations have consistently taken a stance against protecting users from exploits. In this video, he once again claims protecting against exploits is only useful for pedophiles and spies. Translation to English: > There's the attack surface, on that front we're not security specialists here, so I couldn't answer you precisely, but from the discussions I've had, it seems that everything

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          GrapheneOS Mastodon (grapheneos.social)

          Das ist auf vielen Ebenen - für 'die Sache' wie auch für GrapheneOS - bodenlos scheiße.

          Gegenwehr halte ich hier für angebracht.

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          • okuna@social.tchncs.deO okuna@social.tchncs.de

            @HybridStaticAnimate @betterlife @kuketzblog Uff, English is not my native language, so I may have screwed up. I am not a techie. I am old. I am German. Hence I am interested in privacy and security, but I have no clue about programming or ssl oder so. When I started my journey and heard about GOS I went to their forum and tried to learn and asked questions. And when i got answers I did not understand, I asked why e or calyx or others say differently. I got blamed for that

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            @Okuna @betterlife @kuketzblog

            Im sorry you had that experience. People who act elitist are warned and/or banned, since everyone has to start somewhere and using GOS does not entitle anyone to act above others.

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            • kuketzblog@social.tchncs.deK kuketzblog@social.tchncs.de

              Ich bin dem offiziellen GrapheneOS-Konto gerade entfolgt – nicht, weil ich das Projekt nicht schätze. Im Gegenteil: GrapheneOS ist im Bereich mobiler Sicherheit/Privacy weiterhin die beste Option.

              Was mich stört, sind die ständigen Seitenhiebe auf /e/OS, CalyxOS und andere Custom-ROMs - auch wenn die Kritik völlig legitim ist. Aber ich folge dem Account, um etwas über GrapheneOS zu lesen, nicht um regelmäßig zu erfahren, was andere in den Sand setzen. Wer ein starkes Projekt hat, sollte es für sich sprechen lassen.

              #GrapheneOS #Android #Privacy

              /kuk

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              @kuketzblog Verständlich. Warum gegeneinander, statt gemeinsam für eine bessere (IT-)Welt?

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              • larsmb@mastodon.onlineL larsmb@mastodon.online

                @HybridStaticAnimate @kuketzblog I'd sincerely urge you and the team to find someone you trust has your best interests at heart and feel safe with to provide you feedback on how the communication style is externally perceived.

                I assume all of us in this thread sharing the same impression and arriving at similar conclusions are just part of an irresponsible harassment campaign. Is that statistically likely?

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                @larsmb @kuketzblog

                Wot?? Me? I dont have input on what the GOS project does. Im not associated with the GOS team.

                And Im not following your assumption. It wouldnt make sense to say everyone is part of the same campaign. Its not one big campaign but a few moderate ones that spread misinformation that ends up inevitably making innocent people accidentally complicit when they might not have been otherwise. A lot of it isnt organized or planned but is still harmful all the same. Unfortuately, much of it is organized.

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                • nilz@norden.socialN nilz@norden.social

                  @Sebastian @kuketzblog @GrapheneOS

                  Da stimme ich zu 👍

                  Ich würde den Graphene-Account gern in meine Notifications aufnehmen, um wichtige News zu meinem OS zu lesen. Das macht bislang bei den endlosen Threads / Rants keinen Sinn. Insofern wären Blogbeiträge besser.

                  Die Grundhaltung, hier nicht nur zu promoten, sondern auch zu reagieren & diskutieren, finde ich gut.

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                  @Sebastian @kuketzblog @GrapheneOS

                  Jetzt lese ich in den Comments vermehrt noch die Klage, dass Graphene eh nur auf Google Hardware läuft 🙄

                  1. Ihr seid #offtopic und tut eigentlich gerade das, was ihr kritisiert.

                  2. Ist eigene Hardware längst in Planung 😑

                  3. Google lebt nicht von Smartphone-Verkäufen, sondern vom Plattform-Monopol, an das euch das Handy fesseln soll. Wieviel Gewinn macht Google aber mit 1 Pixel, 1x gekauft und 5-10 Jahre mit GrapheneOS genutzt?? Geht gegen Null.

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                  • hybridstaticanimate@infosec.exchangeH hybridstaticanimate@infosec.exchange

                    @larsmb @kuketzblog

                    Wot?? Me? I dont have input on what the GOS project does. Im not associated with the GOS team.

                    And Im not following your assumption. It wouldnt make sense to say everyone is part of the same campaign. Its not one big campaign but a few moderate ones that spread misinformation that ends up inevitably making innocent people accidentally complicit when they might not have been otherwise. A lot of it isnt organized or planned but is still harmful all the same. Unfortuately, much of it is organized.

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                    @HybridStaticAnimate @kuketzblog If you say so.

                    The feedback on the GOS communication style stands though.

                    I'd offer, as a last thought, the consideration whether, even if all was/is accurate and entirely correct, it is an *effective* style that achieves the intended outcomes.

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                    • larsmb@mastodon.onlineL larsmb@mastodon.online

                      @HybridStaticAnimate @kuketzblog If you say so.

                      The feedback on the GOS communication style stands though.

                      I'd offer, as a last thought, the consideration whether, even if all was/is accurate and entirely correct, it is an *effective* style that achieves the intended outcomes.

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                      @larsmb @kuketzblog

                      From the looks of it, it has been very effective. Ive seen a lot of praise for avoiding the corporate slop and saccharine nonsense, and many like GOS telling it how it is quickly and effectively. Anyone who has ever been on a support call, being bounced around for several hours, can appreciate that approach lol.

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                      • hybridstaticanimate@infosec.exchangeH hybridstaticanimate@infosec.exchange

                        @larsmb @kuketzblog

                        From the looks of it, it has been very effective. Ive seen a lot of praise for avoiding the corporate slop and saccharine nonsense, and many like GOS telling it how it is quickly and effectively. Anyone who has ever been on a support call, being bounced around for several hours, can appreciate that approach lol.

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                        @HybridStaticAnimate @kuketzblog Excellent. Then clearly, there's nothing GOS could learn or improve, and there's no need to change.

                        That's a good outcome, since change - and realizing what might need to change and why and then doing it - often involve a lot of effort and can even be quite painful.

                        Glad GOS can avoid this since they already got it down pat.

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                        • hybridstaticanimate@infosec.exchangeH hybridstaticanimate@infosec.exchange

                          @Jakob @kuketzblog

                          GrapheneOS doesnt sell a product and does not have anything to market. They arent a business.

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                          @HybridStaticAnimate @kuketzblog they don't sell it, yet it is their product. And their social media behaviour is a form of marketing nevertheless.

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                          • hybridstaticanimate@infosec.exchangeH hybridstaticanimate@infosec.exchange

                            @larsmb @kuketzblog

                            Wot?? Me? I dont have input on what the GOS project does. Im not associated with the GOS team.

                            And Im not following your assumption. It wouldnt make sense to say everyone is part of the same campaign. Its not one big campaign but a few moderate ones that spread misinformation that ends up inevitably making innocent people accidentally complicit when they might not have been otherwise. A lot of it isnt organized or planned but is still harmful all the same. Unfortuately, much of it is organized.

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                            @HybridStaticAnimate "Unfortuately, much of it is organized."

                            The reason we know you're a GrapheneOS sock puppet account is the 1:1 mapping between their paranoid delusions and yours.

                            @larsmb @kuketzblog

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                            • hybridstaticanimate@infosec.exchangeH hybridstaticanimate@infosec.exchange

                              @Carsten_O @denkbeteiligung @kuketzblog

                              GrapheneOS defends themselves from attacks, a better question is why are they being attacked? Its awful and its an inhumane level of abuse they are subjected to. They dont want to spend time refuting all of it, they just need to lessen the harm caused.

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                              @HybridStaticAnimate
                              Intersting. I didn't read about those attacks (feel free to point them out).

                              And even then it is good to tell what they are doing good instead of fingerpointing the others.
                              @Carsten_O @kuketzblog

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                              • betterlife@social.tchncs.deB betterlife@social.tchncs.de

                                @tjr22

                                a) Wenn Mike das bereits getan hat, hätte er es in seinem Tröt erwähnen können. Ohne die Informationen, dass es erfolglose Bemühungen zum Ändern der Situation gab, kann der Eindruck entstehen, das sofort gecancelt wurde.
                                b) Das ist möglich, aber das kann ein Leser dieses Tröt, der das Thema nicht schon länger verfolgt, nicht wissen. Auch das hätte man im Tröt erwähnen können.
                                c) Wenn man einen Kanal entfolgt, weil einem etwas nicht passt, cancelt/storniert man ihn damit, nicht mehr und nicht weniger. Ich fand nur die Hintergründe in dem Tröt nicht ausreichend beschrieben, denn ich verfolge das Thema nicht regelmäßig. Wenn Mike mit seiner Reichweite einen Kanal öffentlich cancelt, dann sollte das gut begründet sein, denn er wird zwangsläufig viele Leute mitziehen.

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                                @betterlife @tjr22 man cancelt nicht, man tut seine Meinung kund. Wer das nicht aushält ist schwach

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                                • carsten_o@neander.socialC carsten_o@neander.social

                                  @kuketzblog danke für den Recap.
                                  Ich hatte mich auch schon gewundert und befürchtet /e/OS wäre ein echtes Sicherheitsrisiko.

                                  Aber so ist das immer: "judäaische Volksfront, Volksfront von Judäa. Später!"
                                  Lachender Dritter bei so was: #Google.

                                  Also, bye-bye GrapheneOS.

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                                  @Carsten_O @kuketzblog /e/OS hat eine furchtbare Historie beim Thema Sicherheit. Das kann ich wirklich niemandem empfehlen. Hat auch bei Kuketz im Test nicht gut abgeschnitten.

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                                  • highfunctioningsociopath@mastodon.socialH highfunctioningsociopath@mastodon.social

                                    @flx @a53bdb @kuketzblog @GrapheneOS Privacy does not exist without security.

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                                    @highfunctioningsociopath Sure, but it always a balance between both. GrapheneOS - for my usecase - is like the most secure panic room - made of glass. A level of security I don‘t need, with very limited privacy.

                                    Google does not care at all about privacy, and every PlayStore app is a potential privacy nightmare. GOS protects you against Google, but only very limited against other apps.

                                    If you use F-droid only, fine. But otherwise iOS is a better choice - at least for me.

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                                    • hybridstaticanimate@infosec.exchangeH hybridstaticanimate@infosec.exchange

                                      @lies_das @kuketzblog

                                      GraphenrOS is here to stay, they have funding and a very bright future. Of course, they could always use more resources.

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                                      @HybridStaticAnimate @kuketzblog
                                      I hope you are right
                                      Honestly

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                                      • kuketzblog@social.tchncs.deK kuketzblog@social.tchncs.de

                                        Ich bin dem offiziellen GrapheneOS-Konto gerade entfolgt – nicht, weil ich das Projekt nicht schätze. Im Gegenteil: GrapheneOS ist im Bereich mobiler Sicherheit/Privacy weiterhin die beste Option.

                                        Was mich stört, sind die ständigen Seitenhiebe auf /e/OS, CalyxOS und andere Custom-ROMs - auch wenn die Kritik völlig legitim ist. Aber ich folge dem Account, um etwas über GrapheneOS zu lesen, nicht um regelmäßig zu erfahren, was andere in den Sand setzen. Wer ein starkes Projekt hat, sollte es für sich sprechen lassen.

                                        #GrapheneOS #Android #Privacy

                                        /kuk

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                                        @kuketzblog ich weiß auch nicht, ob das zwingend über den Hauptaccount vom Projekt laufen muss. Und es schwächt das Ansehen von Graphene OS, dass dort immer und immer wieder über falsche Berichterstattung geschrieben, ja teilweise sogar diffamiert wird - da frage ich mich schon gelegentlich, wer von den Parteien eigentlich im Glashaus sitzt. Dennoch sollte mein nächstes Phone eins mit Graphene werden. Bin da also Deiner Meinung, schaue mir die Shitshow aber noch ne Weile an.

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                                        • kuketzblog@social.tchncs.deK kuketzblog@social.tchncs.de

                                          Ich bin dem offiziellen GrapheneOS-Konto gerade entfolgt – nicht, weil ich das Projekt nicht schätze. Im Gegenteil: GrapheneOS ist im Bereich mobiler Sicherheit/Privacy weiterhin die beste Option.

                                          Was mich stört, sind die ständigen Seitenhiebe auf /e/OS, CalyxOS und andere Custom-ROMs - auch wenn die Kritik völlig legitim ist. Aber ich folge dem Account, um etwas über GrapheneOS zu lesen, nicht um regelmäßig zu erfahren, was andere in den Sand setzen. Wer ein starkes Projekt hat, sollte es für sich sprechen lassen.

                                          #GrapheneOS #Android #Privacy

                                          /kuk

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                                          @kuketzblog Bin dem Account aus exakt den gleichen Gründen vor 1-2 Wochen entfolgt. Spannend das es nicht nur mir so geht.

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