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Black woman: Black people don’t feel comfortable on Mastodon and Bluesky!!

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  • jabgoe2089@hub.netzgemeinde.euJ jabgoe2089@hub.netzgemeinde.eu
    @Adrianna Tan
    Everyone else: here’s why you’re wrong and I know better than you!

    sounds bad. but the premise is still nonsensical. how do i know what skincolor the other people have?
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    @jabgoe2089

    My dude, people are talking about their personal experiences. "The premise is still nonsensical" is still dismissive of their explicitly stated personal experience. This is exactly the kind of response (repeated dozens of times) that drives people away. Please try to listen.

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    • skinnylatte@hachyderm.ioS skinnylatte@hachyderm.io

      some people here are like 'i'm color blind i don't know what color anyone is'

      well maybe you are the problem

      'color blindness' is wilful racism

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      @skinnylatte German word is Mitläufer (translation as follower is not strong enough - the term was coined during denazification for all those who played a part in not stopping the terror or finding cheap excuses for actively enabling it).

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      • skinnylatte@hachyderm.ioS skinnylatte@hachyderm.io

        some people here are like 'i'm color blind i don't know what color anyone is'

        well maybe you are the problem

        'color blindness' is wilful racism

        robertsmelser@toot.communityR This user is from outside of this forum
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        @skinnylatte Yes! Louder for the people in back!

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        • skinnylatte@hachyderm.ioS skinnylatte@hachyderm.io

          some people here are like 'i'm color blind i don't know what color anyone is'

          well maybe you are the problem

          'color blindness' is wilful racism

          jrose@social.belkadan.comJ This user is from outside of this forum
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          @skinnylatte (This message got disconnected from its thread in my timeline and I was very confused on first glance until I got to the third sentence.)

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          • skinnylatte@hachyderm.ioS skinnylatte@hachyderm.io

            some people here are like 'i'm color blind i don't know what color anyone is'

            well maybe you are the problem

            'color blindness' is wilful racism

            terribletowelie@mastodon.socialT This user is from outside of this forum
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            @skinnylatte maybe they are just saying they treat all the people the same, but go ahead and inturperate it as that for everyone if that makes you feel better about yourself

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            • jabgoe2089@hub.netzgemeinde.euJ jabgoe2089@hub.netzgemeinde.eu
              @Adrianna Tan
              Everyone else: here’s why you’re wrong and I know better than you!

              sounds bad. but the premise is still nonsensical. how do i know what skincolor the other people have?
              unchartedworlds@scicomm.xyzU This user is from outside of this forum
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              @jabgoe2089

              What premise is nonsensical specifically?

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              • terribletowelie@mastodon.socialT terribletowelie@mastodon.social

                @skinnylatte maybe they are just saying they treat all the people the same, but go ahead and inturperate it as that for everyone if that makes you feel better about yourself

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                @skinnylatte i hate all people in general and only like some individuals regardless of who or what they are or choose to be

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                • terribletowelie@mastodon.socialT terribletowelie@mastodon.social

                  @skinnylatte maybe they are just saying they treat all the people the same, but go ahead and inturperate it as that for everyone if that makes you feel better about yourself

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                  @terribletowelie @skinnylatte Impact trumps intent. If you’re feeling defensive about this, maybe sit with that a bit.

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                  • zkat@fedi.zkat.techZ zkat@fedi.zkat.tech

                    @maxleibman @skinnylatte it did. It was called playvicious. But they got harassed out of here, too.

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                    #44

                    @maxleibman Deleted my earlier response, as I wasn't sure who this question is actually addressed to.

                    But for the "here’s why you’re wrong" crowd:

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                    Blackness in the Fediverse: A Conversation with Marcia X

                    A conversation about the #PlayVicious Mastodon instance.

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                    Logic(s) Magazine (logicmag.io)

                    @zkat @skinnylatte

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                    • aetataureate@mastodon.socialA aetataureate@mastodon.social

                      @rrb @skinnylatte don't know you dude but the first step is not to ask nonwhite people to help you learn not to alienate other nonwhite people (this is a genuine answer)

                      in other practical steps, please follow more Black users (and users of color in general) and think about and boost their posts. if you aren't sure the joke or whatever you want to make is going to land, if you don't know them in general, reply less. decide not to.

                      if racial dynamics confuse you, you should read some books too.

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                      @aetataureate @skinnylatte

                      I was not trying to be cute. I, honestly, was not aware that this site was alienating to minorities. I was wondering in what ways it is annoying to minorities. With that, what I could do to make it less so.

                      No, you owe me nothing. I expect nothing from you. But, I am tired of being part of the problem.

                      The original post was complaining about the current state. Asking how it could be better does not seem (to me) to be counterproductive.

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                      • rrb@infosec.exchangeR rrb@infosec.exchange

                        @aetataureate @skinnylatte

                        I was not trying to be cute. I, honestly, was not aware that this site was alienating to minorities. I was wondering in what ways it is annoying to minorities. With that, what I could do to make it less so.

                        No, you owe me nothing. I expect nothing from you. But, I am tired of being part of the problem.

                        The original post was complaining about the current state. Asking how it could be better does not seem (to me) to be counterproductive.

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                        @rrb @skinnylatte my answer was sincere and has concrete steps for you to follow. you should do it

                        eta: i'm realizing you're talking to me as though i am not white (i am white), i said your post was cute or a joke (i didn't), etc. no, i am giving you concrete advice of exactly what to do. my bio literally says white right at the top. maybe looking more and being more curious about other users is a good start too

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                        • stefan@stefanbohacek.onlineS stefan@stefanbohacek.online

                          @maxleibman Deleted my earlier response, as I wasn't sure who this question is actually addressed to.

                          But for the "here’s why you’re wrong" crowd:

                          Link Preview Image
                          Blackness in the Fediverse: A Conversation with Marcia X

                          A conversation about the #PlayVicious Mastodon instance.

                          favicon

                          Logic(s) Magazine (logicmag.io)

                          @zkat @skinnylatte

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                          @stefan @zkat @skinnylatte The question was addressed (rhetorically) to people who disbelieve that Black users have been made uncomfortable here.

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