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  • hsza@social.tudbut.deH hsza@social.tudbut.de

    @Li @davidgerard has that “scientists are undecided on climate change” energy

    i would rather not read a blost that is entirely product of slopsychosis tbh

    phooky@hexa.clubP This user is from outside of this forum
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    wrote last edited by
    #46

    @hsza @davidgerard @Li man my feed is just thread after thread of people lining up and pledging to be a good rsync maintainer

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    • davidgerard@circumstances.runD davidgerard@circumstances.run

      @sharpcheddargoblin he's got a lot to be arrogant about! unfortunately,

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      wrote last edited by
      #47

      @davidgerard @sharpcheddargoblin

      I remember reading the exchanges between him and Linus about the BitKeeper thing and being very glad I didn't have to work with either of them.

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      • davidgerard@circumstances.runD davidgerard@circumstances.run

        Tridge has responded on the rsync vibe disaster

        Just a moment...

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        * you're all dumb haters
        * AI is a revolution just in the past few months
        * yes there were regressions but,
        * the new test suite is awesome you haters
        * openrsync doesn't pass the new test suite! ha, you fools! well that's cos it targets an older version but,

        at least it reads like he wrote it by hand

        i can pick the particular mastodon posts he's reacting to here

        cstross@wandering.shopC This user is from outside of this forum
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        cstross@wandering.shop
        wrote last edited by
        #48

        @davidgerard It seems to me that this highlights that the real problem isn't a code quality problem, it's a project management problem: he's old and would rather sail his boat and he's trying to maintain rsync on his own and (TLDR: don't wanna, let's just AI it instead).

        It's this XKCD strip in a nutshell: https://xkcd.com/2347/

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        • robinsyl@meow.socialR robinsyl@meow.social

          @davidgerard can we normalize giving a project to someone else if you don't want to maintain it

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          wrote last edited by
          #49

          @robinsyl @davidgerard unfortunately in this case, I think he did, then took it back later (I don't know why he took it back)

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          • davidgerard@circumstances.runD davidgerard@circumstances.run

            Tridge has responded on the rsync vibe disaster

            Just a moment...

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            * you're all dumb haters
            * AI is a revolution just in the past few months
            * yes there were regressions but,
            * the new test suite is awesome you haters
            * openrsync doesn't pass the new test suite! ha, you fools! well that's cos it targets an older version but,

            at least it reads like he wrote it by hand

            i can pick the particular mastodon posts he's reacting to here

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            nohhue@mastodon.social
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            #50

            @davidgerard

            > for the people saying things like “I’m a PhD from xyz uni and I’m telling your LLMs are just stochastic tools that make everything up and the world will fall apart if you use them”, **I’m here to tell you that you are out of date. **

            ...Ah, there it is. The thing that makes it clear you shouldn't pay attention to him and should find a slop-free version of rsync. The "it's inevitable" weasle-wording.

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            • hugoestr@functional.cafeH hugoestr@functional.cafe

              @Netzblockierer @davidgerard thanks so much. Time to explore those

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              wrote last edited by
              #51

              @hugoestr @Netzblockierer @davidgerard
              Vim classsic is basically the final non-slop vim in maintenance mode and evi is the last non-slop vim with an eye to continuing development of the project and adding new ideas and cool stuff, just not via AI slop. I use Evi as my daily driver
              Evi's headed by @mrmasterkeyboard
              Vim Classic by
              @drew

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              • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

                @davidgerard It seems to me that this highlights that the real problem isn't a code quality problem, it's a project management problem: he's old and would rather sail his boat and he's trying to maintain rsync on his own and (TLDR: don't wanna, let's just AI it instead).

                It's this XKCD strip in a nutshell: https://xkcd.com/2347/

                Link Preview Image
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                wrote last edited by
                #52

                @cstross
                Its this, but also probably because ego... he couldn't bear to hand it off? not totally clear. Still, handing it off to a team of 3-4 people would have been the right thing to do. Sail your boat! i get it!
                @davidgerard

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                • davidgerard@circumstances.runD davidgerard@circumstances.run

                  Tridge has responded on the rsync vibe disaster

                  Just a moment...

                  favicon

                  (medium.com)

                  * you're all dumb haters
                  * AI is a revolution just in the past few months
                  * yes there were regressions but,
                  * the new test suite is awesome you haters
                  * openrsync doesn't pass the new test suite! ha, you fools! well that's cos it targets an older version but,

                  at least it reads like he wrote it by hand

                  i can pick the particular mastodon posts he's reacting to here

                  wbud@tech.lgbtW This user is from outside of this forum
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                  wbud@tech.lgbt
                  wrote last edited by
                  #53

                  @davidgerard benevolent dictator seems to be steering away from benevolence.

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                  • davidgerard@circumstances.runD davidgerard@circumstances.run

                    Tridge has responded on the rsync vibe disaster

                    Just a moment...

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                    * you're all dumb haters
                    * AI is a revolution just in the past few months
                    * yes there were regressions but,
                    * the new test suite is awesome you haters
                    * openrsync doesn't pass the new test suite! ha, you fools! well that's cos it targets an older version but,

                    at least it reads like he wrote it by hand

                    i can pick the particular mastodon posts he's reacting to here

                    poprox@social.lolP This user is from outside of this forum
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                    poprox@social.lol
                    wrote last edited by
                    #54

                    @davidgerard plagiarizers hate it so much when they get called out for plagiarizing. lazy and shameful, they've completely discredited themselves as a competent and trustworthy "developer". not even deserving of the name "developer" when they're generating and relying on plagiarized content.

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                    • millihertz@oldbytes.spaceM millihertz@oldbytes.space

                      @davidgerard i think the distillation here is "AI dragged me out of retirement by making all these security reports, so you fuckers can watch me use AI to fix them all too"

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                      wrote last edited by
                      #55

                      @millihertz @davidgerard yep. Which makes rsync actually quite a nice example of why that line of thinking is bait.

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                      • davidgerard@circumstances.runD davidgerard@circumstances.run

                        Tridge has responded on the rsync vibe disaster

                        Just a moment...

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                        (medium.com)

                        * you're all dumb haters
                        * AI is a revolution just in the past few months
                        * yes there were regressions but,
                        * the new test suite is awesome you haters
                        * openrsync doesn't pass the new test suite! ha, you fools! well that's cos it targets an older version but,

                        at least it reads like he wrote it by hand

                        i can pick the particular mastodon posts he's reacting to here

                        mavu@mastodon.socialM This user is from outside of this forum
                        mavu@mastodon.socialM This user is from outside of this forum
                        mavu@mastodon.social
                        wrote last edited by
                        #56

                        @davidgerard to be fair: we **are** all dumb haters. We just have good reasons to.
                        Also, many reactions *are* over the top.

                        - Mourn the project
                        - tell the unpaid-hobbyist maintainer you would have preferred he not use AI because of (well known reasons) **in a friendly manner**
                        - fork the last known good commit and step up to maintain the project or hope someone else will.

                        Unless of course, they are being an ass about it. Then have at it.

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                        • davidgerard@circumstances.runD davidgerard@circumstances.run

                          Tridge has responded on the rsync vibe disaster

                          Just a moment...

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                          (medium.com)

                          * you're all dumb haters
                          * AI is a revolution just in the past few months
                          * yes there were regressions but,
                          * the new test suite is awesome you haters
                          * openrsync doesn't pass the new test suite! ha, you fools! well that's cos it targets an older version but,

                          at least it reads like he wrote it by hand

                          i can pick the particular mastodon posts he's reacting to here

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                          #57

                          @davidgerard The openrsync dig is cheap, and complaining about having to work instead of retiring only begs the question "why did you not do the work of finding a new maintainer, then?", but the part about being raged on I guess doesn't deserve this. He very well could have been dogpiled and that's nasty.

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                          • davidgerard@circumstances.runD davidgerard@circumstances.run

                            Tridge has responded on the rsync vibe disaster

                            Just a moment...

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                            (medium.com)

                            * you're all dumb haters
                            * AI is a revolution just in the past few months
                            * yes there were regressions but,
                            * the new test suite is awesome you haters
                            * openrsync doesn't pass the new test suite! ha, you fools! well that's cos it targets an older version but,

                            at least it reads like he wrote it by hand

                            i can pick the particular mastodon posts he's reacting to here

                            dgold@goblin.technologyD This user is from outside of this forum
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                            dgold@goblin.technology
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                            #58

                            @davidgerard it doesn't even make sense on it's own terms.

                            If the point was to entirely switch to a python test codebase, why was he using the worst (according to LLMshills) system for that purpose?

                            To then take that and release the thing in a wholly broken form to the public?

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                            • mrmasterkeyboard@mastodon.socialM mrmasterkeyboard@mastodon.social shared this topic
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                              @davidgerard

                              > for the people saying things like “I’m a PhD from xyz uni and I’m telling your LLMs are just stochastic tools that make everything up and the world will fall apart if you use them”, **I’m here to tell you that you are out of date. **

                              ...Ah, there it is. The thing that makes it clear you shouldn't pay attention to him and should find a slop-free version of rsync. The "it's inevitable" weasle-wording.

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                              davidgerard@circumstances.run
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                              #59

                              @nohhue I also found the specific post he's replying to

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                              • shadowjonathan@tech.lgbtS shadowjonathan@tech.lgbt

                                @davidgerard ok so the original rsync is actually dead now, shame

                                i hope debian will switch to alternatives like openrsync or the likes

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                                regendans@todon.eu
                                wrote last edited by
                                #60

                                @ShadowJonathan @davidgerard Yesterday I read on Mastodon that gokr-rsync was uploaded to Debian unstable/sid https://packages.debian.org/sid/gokr-rsync #debian #rsync

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                                • davidgerard@circumstances.runD davidgerard@circumstances.run

                                  Tridge has responded on the rsync vibe disaster

                                  Just a moment...

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                                  (medium.com)

                                  * you're all dumb haters
                                  * AI is a revolution just in the past few months
                                  * yes there were regressions but,
                                  * the new test suite is awesome you haters
                                  * openrsync doesn't pass the new test suite! ha, you fools! well that's cos it targets an older version but,

                                  at least it reads like he wrote it by hand

                                  i can pick the particular mastodon posts he's reacting to here

                                  mrs_malice@mastodon.worldM This user is from outside of this forum
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                                  mrs_malice@mastodon.world
                                  wrote last edited by
                                  #61

                                  @davidgerard “excuse me for using these fascistic tools of class warfare but i simply must get back to SAILING” lmao pretty fuckin clear which side he’s on eh

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                                  • dlakelan@mastodon.sdf.orgD dlakelan@mastodon.sdf.org

                                    @cstross
                                    Its this, but also probably because ego... he couldn't bear to hand it off? not totally clear. Still, handing it off to a team of 3-4 people would have been the right thing to do. Sail your boat! i get it!
                                    @davidgerard

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                                    wrote last edited by
                                    #62

                                    @dlakelan @cstross @davidgerard But also the load on maintainers has gone up partly, but not entirely, due to AI generated vulnerability reports.

                                    His response seems to have been to fight AI with AI.

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                                    • davidgerard@circumstances.runD davidgerard@circumstances.run

                                      Tridge has responded on the rsync vibe disaster

                                      Just a moment...

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                                      (medium.com)

                                      * you're all dumb haters
                                      * AI is a revolution just in the past few months
                                      * yes there were regressions but,
                                      * the new test suite is awesome you haters
                                      * openrsync doesn't pass the new test suite! ha, you fools! well that's cos it targets an older version but,

                                      at least it reads like he wrote it by hand

                                      i can pick the particular mastodon posts he's reacting to here

                                      gryphonmyers@mastodon.socialG This user is from outside of this forum
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                                      gryphonmyers@mastodon.social
                                      wrote last edited by
                                      #63

                                      @davidgerard "Oh, btw, I also did a PhD in CS" congratulations

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                                      • davidgerard@circumstances.runD davidgerard@circumstances.run

                                        Tridge has responded on the rsync vibe disaster

                                        Just a moment...

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                                        (medium.com)

                                        * you're all dumb haters
                                        * AI is a revolution just in the past few months
                                        * yes there were regressions but,
                                        * the new test suite is awesome you haters
                                        * openrsync doesn't pass the new test suite! ha, you fools! well that's cos it targets an older version but,

                                        at least it reads like he wrote it by hand

                                        i can pick the particular mastodon posts he's reacting to here

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                                        jaredwhite@indieweb.social
                                        wrote last edited by
                                        #64

                                        @davidgerard "nobody actually knows if human intelligence is just finer grained stochastic prediction as well"

                                        WTAF 🫪

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                                        • mrs_malice@mastodon.worldM mrs_malice@mastodon.world

                                          @davidgerard “excuse me for using these fascistic tools of class warfare but i simply must get back to SAILING” lmao pretty fuckin clear which side he’s on eh

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                                          wrote last edited by
                                          #65

                                          @mrs_malice

                                          oceans are now battlefields etc

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