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  • davidgerard@circumstances.runD davidgerard@circumstances.run

    Tridge has responded on the rsync vibe disaster

    Just a moment...

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    * you're all dumb haters
    * AI is a revolution just in the past few months
    * yes there were regressions but,
    * the new test suite is awesome you haters
    * openrsync doesn't pass the new test suite! ha, you fools! well that's cos it targets an older version but,

    at least it reads like he wrote it by hand

    i can pick the particular mastodon posts he's reacting to here

    poprox@social.lolP This user is from outside of this forum
    poprox@social.lolP This user is from outside of this forum
    poprox@social.lol
    wrote last edited by
    #54

    @davidgerard plagiarizers hate it so much when they get called out for plagiarizing. lazy and shameful, they've completely discredited themselves as a competent and trustworthy "developer". not even deserving of the name "developer" when they're generating and relying on plagiarized content.

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    • millihertz@oldbytes.spaceM millihertz@oldbytes.space

      @davidgerard i think the distillation here is "AI dragged me out of retirement by making all these security reports, so you fuckers can watch me use AI to fix them all too"

      maddiem4@raphus.socialM This user is from outside of this forum
      maddiem4@raphus.socialM This user is from outside of this forum
      maddiem4@raphus.social
      wrote last edited by
      #55

      @millihertz @davidgerard yep. Which makes rsync actually quite a nice example of why that line of thinking is bait.

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      • davidgerard@circumstances.runD davidgerard@circumstances.run

        Tridge has responded on the rsync vibe disaster

        Just a moment...

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        (medium.com)

        * you're all dumb haters
        * AI is a revolution just in the past few months
        * yes there were regressions but,
        * the new test suite is awesome you haters
        * openrsync doesn't pass the new test suite! ha, you fools! well that's cos it targets an older version but,

        at least it reads like he wrote it by hand

        i can pick the particular mastodon posts he's reacting to here

        mavu@mastodon.socialM This user is from outside of this forum
        mavu@mastodon.socialM This user is from outside of this forum
        mavu@mastodon.social
        wrote last edited by
        #56

        @davidgerard to be fair: we **are** all dumb haters. We just have good reasons to.
        Also, many reactions *are* over the top.

        - Mourn the project
        - tell the unpaid-hobbyist maintainer you would have preferred he not use AI because of (well known reasons) **in a friendly manner**
        - fork the last known good commit and step up to maintain the project or hope someone else will.

        Unless of course, they are being an ass about it. Then have at it.

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        • davidgerard@circumstances.runD davidgerard@circumstances.run

          Tridge has responded on the rsync vibe disaster

          Just a moment...

          favicon

          (medium.com)

          * you're all dumb haters
          * AI is a revolution just in the past few months
          * yes there were regressions but,
          * the new test suite is awesome you haters
          * openrsync doesn't pass the new test suite! ha, you fools! well that's cos it targets an older version but,

          at least it reads like he wrote it by hand

          i can pick the particular mastodon posts he's reacting to here

          adriano@lile.clA This user is from outside of this forum
          adriano@lile.clA This user is from outside of this forum
          adriano@lile.cl
          wrote last edited by
          #57

          @davidgerard The openrsync dig is cheap, and complaining about having to work instead of retiring only begs the question "why did you not do the work of finding a new maintainer, then?", but the part about being raged on I guess doesn't deserve this. He very well could have been dogpiled and that's nasty.

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          • davidgerard@circumstances.runD davidgerard@circumstances.run

            Tridge has responded on the rsync vibe disaster

            Just a moment...

            favicon

            (medium.com)

            * you're all dumb haters
            * AI is a revolution just in the past few months
            * yes there were regressions but,
            * the new test suite is awesome you haters
            * openrsync doesn't pass the new test suite! ha, you fools! well that's cos it targets an older version but,

            at least it reads like he wrote it by hand

            i can pick the particular mastodon posts he's reacting to here

            dgold@goblin.technologyD This user is from outside of this forum
            dgold@goblin.technologyD This user is from outside of this forum
            dgold@goblin.technology
            wrote last edited by
            #58

            @davidgerard it doesn't even make sense on it's own terms.

            If the point was to entirely switch to a python test codebase, why was he using the worst (according to LLMshills) system for that purpose?

            To then take that and release the thing in a wholly broken form to the public?

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            • mrmasterkeyboard@mastodon.socialM mrmasterkeyboard@mastodon.social shared this topic
            • N nohhue@mastodon.social

              @davidgerard

              > for the people saying things like “I’m a PhD from xyz uni and I’m telling your LLMs are just stochastic tools that make everything up and the world will fall apart if you use them”, **I’m here to tell you that you are out of date. **

              ...Ah, there it is. The thing that makes it clear you shouldn't pay attention to him and should find a slop-free version of rsync. The "it's inevitable" weasle-wording.

              davidgerard@circumstances.runD This user is from outside of this forum
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              davidgerard@circumstances.run
              wrote last edited by
              #59

              @nohhue I also found the specific post he's replying to

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              • shadowjonathan@tech.lgbtS shadowjonathan@tech.lgbt

                @davidgerard ok so the original rsync is actually dead now, shame

                i hope debian will switch to alternatives like openrsync or the likes

                regendans@todon.euR This user is from outside of this forum
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                wrote last edited by
                #60

                @ShadowJonathan @davidgerard Yesterday I read on Mastodon that gokr-rsync was uploaded to Debian unstable/sid https://packages.debian.org/sid/gokr-rsync #debian #rsync

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                • davidgerard@circumstances.runD davidgerard@circumstances.run

                  Tridge has responded on the rsync vibe disaster

                  Just a moment...

                  favicon

                  (medium.com)

                  * you're all dumb haters
                  * AI is a revolution just in the past few months
                  * yes there were regressions but,
                  * the new test suite is awesome you haters
                  * openrsync doesn't pass the new test suite! ha, you fools! well that's cos it targets an older version but,

                  at least it reads like he wrote it by hand

                  i can pick the particular mastodon posts he's reacting to here

                  mrs_malice@mastodon.worldM This user is from outside of this forum
                  mrs_malice@mastodon.worldM This user is from outside of this forum
                  mrs_malice@mastodon.world
                  wrote last edited by
                  #61

                  @davidgerard “excuse me for using these fascistic tools of class warfare but i simply must get back to SAILING” lmao pretty fuckin clear which side he’s on eh

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                  • dlakelan@mastodon.sdf.orgD dlakelan@mastodon.sdf.org

                    @cstross
                    Its this, but also probably because ego... he couldn't bear to hand it off? not totally clear. Still, handing it off to a team of 3-4 people would have been the right thing to do. Sail your boat! i get it!
                    @davidgerard

                    steely_glint@chaos.socialS This user is from outside of this forum
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                    wrote last edited by
                    #62

                    @dlakelan @cstross @davidgerard But also the load on maintainers has gone up partly, but not entirely, due to AI generated vulnerability reports.

                    His response seems to have been to fight AI with AI.

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                    • davidgerard@circumstances.runD davidgerard@circumstances.run

                      Tridge has responded on the rsync vibe disaster

                      Just a moment...

                      favicon

                      (medium.com)

                      * you're all dumb haters
                      * AI is a revolution just in the past few months
                      * yes there were regressions but,
                      * the new test suite is awesome you haters
                      * openrsync doesn't pass the new test suite! ha, you fools! well that's cos it targets an older version but,

                      at least it reads like he wrote it by hand

                      i can pick the particular mastodon posts he's reacting to here

                      gryphonmyers@mastodon.socialG This user is from outside of this forum
                      gryphonmyers@mastodon.socialG This user is from outside of this forum
                      gryphonmyers@mastodon.social
                      wrote last edited by
                      #63

                      @davidgerard "Oh, btw, I also did a PhD in CS" congratulations

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                      • davidgerard@circumstances.runD davidgerard@circumstances.run

                        Tridge has responded on the rsync vibe disaster

                        Just a moment...

                        favicon

                        (medium.com)

                        * you're all dumb haters
                        * AI is a revolution just in the past few months
                        * yes there were regressions but,
                        * the new test suite is awesome you haters
                        * openrsync doesn't pass the new test suite! ha, you fools! well that's cos it targets an older version but,

                        at least it reads like he wrote it by hand

                        i can pick the particular mastodon posts he's reacting to here

                        jaredwhite@indieweb.socialJ This user is from outside of this forum
                        jaredwhite@indieweb.socialJ This user is from outside of this forum
                        jaredwhite@indieweb.social
                        wrote last edited by
                        #64

                        @davidgerard "nobody actually knows if human intelligence is just finer grained stochastic prediction as well"

                        WTAF 🫪

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                        • mrs_malice@mastodon.worldM mrs_malice@mastodon.world

                          @davidgerard “excuse me for using these fascistic tools of class warfare but i simply must get back to SAILING” lmao pretty fuckin clear which side he’s on eh

                          darby3@zirk.usD This user is from outside of this forum
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                          darby3@zirk.us
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                          #65

                          @mrs_malice

                          oceans are now battlefields etc

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                          • davidgerard@circumstances.runD davidgerard@circumstances.run

                            Tridge has responded on the rsync vibe disaster

                            Just a moment...

                            favicon

                            (medium.com)

                            * you're all dumb haters
                            * AI is a revolution just in the past few months
                            * yes there were regressions but,
                            * the new test suite is awesome you haters
                            * openrsync doesn't pass the new test suite! ha, you fools! well that's cos it targets an older version but,

                            at least it reads like he wrote it by hand

                            i can pick the particular mastodon posts he's reacting to here

                            reallylazybear@mastodon.socialR This user is from outside of this forum
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                            reallylazybear@mastodon.social
                            wrote last edited by
                            #66

                            @davidgerard This is the amount of level-headedness I wish to attain, and hopefully surpass but I think that comes with age.

                            And goddamn. 40 years software engineer xp... Pretty sure those weirdos cannot even compare.

                            Imagine if those weirdos decided to use their precious limited time in their lives to help out and be productive than yap... There's like hundreds or a thousand of them out there.

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                            • davidgerard@circumstances.runD davidgerard@circumstances.run

                              Tridge has responded on the rsync vibe disaster

                              Just a moment...

                              favicon

                              (medium.com)

                              * you're all dumb haters
                              * AI is a revolution just in the past few months
                              * yes there were regressions but,
                              * the new test suite is awesome you haters
                              * openrsync doesn't pass the new test suite! ha, you fools! well that's cos it targets an older version but,

                              at least it reads like he wrote it by hand

                              i can pick the particular mastodon posts he's reacting to here

                              mikalai@privacysafe.socialM This user is from outside of this forum
                              mikalai@privacysafe.socialM This user is from outside of this forum
                              mikalai@privacysafe.social
                              wrote last edited by
                              #67

                              @davidgerard was it all written by human, especially when the most intimate part -- code -- is given to next chance token machines

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                              • david_chisnall@infosec.exchangeD david_chisnall@infosec.exchange

                                @davidgerard @sharpcheddargoblin

                                I remember reading the exchanges between him and Linus about the BitKeeper thing and being very glad I didn't have to work with either of them.

                                mikalai@privacysafe.socialM This user is from outside of this forum
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                                wrote last edited by
                                #68

                                @david_chisnall @davidgerard @sharpcheddargoblin
                                I think of it in terms of reflection. What / how processes in one's brain gets warpped by this overall illusuion of deeper think in LLM (Large Language Condensates -- "model" is a missused word here).

                                What happens at lower level than that of "personality", "arrogant" -- at a level of how these bigger behaviours are assembled.

                                We gotta know, so as to help others not to get on this needle.

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                                • davidgerard@circumstances.runD davidgerard@circumstances.run

                                  @bloognoo reads like a blog post written by a drug

                                  catsalad@infosec.exchangeC This user is from outside of this forum
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                                  #69

                                  @davidgerard @bloognoo Replacing the word "AI" with "cocaine" when reading stuff like this explains so much

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                                  • davidgerard@circumstances.runD davidgerard@circumstances.run

                                    @dysfun yeah i went looking and can't find evidence for that one either sadly

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                                    #70

                                    @davidgerard @dysfun Fedora (which I am not involved with, beyond using it on a single laptop) appears to have no problem with it. v3.4.3 was automatically pushed to FC45 <https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2026-52613027b0> and is in process of being pushed to FC44 <https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2026-d14cd355b3> and FC43. I don't see any objections coming from inside the project.

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                                    • catsalad@infosec.exchangeC catsalad@infosec.exchange

                                      @davidgerard @bloognoo Replacing the word "AI" with "cocaine" when reading stuff like this explains so much

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                                      #71

                                      @catsalad @davidgerard @bloognoo

                                      "Don't worry dudes and dudettes, I used AI but I very carefully designed it and planned it beforehand. That's why I have so many regressions, sorry bout dat. Also I could have communicated all this before doing it but YOSO*, you know."

                                      *You Only Sail Once

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                                        #72

                                        @kaasbaas @dlakelan @cstross withholding maintainer labour and refusing to keep working for free is a thing that worked for libxml2. i think that's my conclusion for today. if you're at the stage of posting "i'd rather be sailing", go fuckin sailing.

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                                        • bloognoo@retro.pizzaB bloognoo@retro.pizza

                                          @davidgerard
                                          You can hear the wind whistling through the hole in their forehead.

                                          foobarsoft@mastodon.socialF This user is from outside of this forum
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                                          wrote last edited by
                                          #73

                                          @bloognoo @davidgerard Wow I gotta remember that one.

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