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  • N nohhue@mastodon.social

    @davidgerard

    > for the people saying things like “I’m a PhD from xyz uni and I’m telling your LLMs are just stochastic tools that make everything up and the world will fall apart if you use them”, **I’m here to tell you that you are out of date. **

    ...Ah, there it is. The thing that makes it clear you shouldn't pay attention to him and should find a slop-free version of rsync. The "it's inevitable" weasle-wording.

    davidgerard@circumstances.runD This user is from outside of this forum
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    #59

    @nohhue I also found the specific post he's replying to

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    • shadowjonathan@tech.lgbtS shadowjonathan@tech.lgbt

      @davidgerard ok so the original rsync is actually dead now, shame

      i hope debian will switch to alternatives like openrsync or the likes

      regendans@todon.euR This user is from outside of this forum
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      #60

      @ShadowJonathan @davidgerard Yesterday I read on Mastodon that gokr-rsync was uploaded to Debian unstable/sid https://packages.debian.org/sid/gokr-rsync #debian #rsync

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      • davidgerard@circumstances.runD davidgerard@circumstances.run

        Tridge has responded on the rsync vibe disaster

        Just a moment...

        favicon

        (medium.com)

        * you're all dumb haters
        * AI is a revolution just in the past few months
        * yes there were regressions but,
        * the new test suite is awesome you haters
        * openrsync doesn't pass the new test suite! ha, you fools! well that's cos it targets an older version but,

        at least it reads like he wrote it by hand

        i can pick the particular mastodon posts he's reacting to here

        mrs_malice@mastodon.worldM This user is from outside of this forum
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        wrote last edited by
        #61

        @davidgerard “excuse me for using these fascistic tools of class warfare but i simply must get back to SAILING” lmao pretty fuckin clear which side he’s on eh

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        • dlakelan@mastodon.sdf.orgD dlakelan@mastodon.sdf.org

          @cstross
          Its this, but also probably because ego... he couldn't bear to hand it off? not totally clear. Still, handing it off to a team of 3-4 people would have been the right thing to do. Sail your boat! i get it!
          @davidgerard

          steely_glint@chaos.socialS This user is from outside of this forum
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          wrote last edited by
          #62

          @dlakelan @cstross @davidgerard But also the load on maintainers has gone up partly, but not entirely, due to AI generated vulnerability reports.

          His response seems to have been to fight AI with AI.

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          • davidgerard@circumstances.runD davidgerard@circumstances.run

            Tridge has responded on the rsync vibe disaster

            Just a moment...

            favicon

            (medium.com)

            * you're all dumb haters
            * AI is a revolution just in the past few months
            * yes there were regressions but,
            * the new test suite is awesome you haters
            * openrsync doesn't pass the new test suite! ha, you fools! well that's cos it targets an older version but,

            at least it reads like he wrote it by hand

            i can pick the particular mastodon posts he's reacting to here

            gryphonmyers@mastodon.socialG This user is from outside of this forum
            gryphonmyers@mastodon.socialG This user is from outside of this forum
            gryphonmyers@mastodon.social
            wrote last edited by
            #63

            @davidgerard "Oh, btw, I also did a PhD in CS" congratulations

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            • davidgerard@circumstances.runD davidgerard@circumstances.run

              Tridge has responded on the rsync vibe disaster

              Just a moment...

              favicon

              (medium.com)

              * you're all dumb haters
              * AI is a revolution just in the past few months
              * yes there were regressions but,
              * the new test suite is awesome you haters
              * openrsync doesn't pass the new test suite! ha, you fools! well that's cos it targets an older version but,

              at least it reads like he wrote it by hand

              i can pick the particular mastodon posts he's reacting to here

              jaredwhite@indieweb.socialJ This user is from outside of this forum
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              jaredwhite@indieweb.social
              wrote last edited by
              #64

              @davidgerard "nobody actually knows if human intelligence is just finer grained stochastic prediction as well"

              WTAF 🫪

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              • mrs_malice@mastodon.worldM mrs_malice@mastodon.world

                @davidgerard “excuse me for using these fascistic tools of class warfare but i simply must get back to SAILING” lmao pretty fuckin clear which side he’s on eh

                darby3@zirk.usD This user is from outside of this forum
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                darby3@zirk.us
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                #65

                @mrs_malice

                oceans are now battlefields etc

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                • davidgerard@circumstances.runD davidgerard@circumstances.run

                  Tridge has responded on the rsync vibe disaster

                  Just a moment...

                  favicon

                  (medium.com)

                  * you're all dumb haters
                  * AI is a revolution just in the past few months
                  * yes there were regressions but,
                  * the new test suite is awesome you haters
                  * openrsync doesn't pass the new test suite! ha, you fools! well that's cos it targets an older version but,

                  at least it reads like he wrote it by hand

                  i can pick the particular mastodon posts he's reacting to here

                  reallylazybear@mastodon.socialR This user is from outside of this forum
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                  reallylazybear@mastodon.social
                  wrote last edited by
                  #66

                  @davidgerard This is the amount of level-headedness I wish to attain, and hopefully surpass but I think that comes with age.

                  And goddamn. 40 years software engineer xp... Pretty sure those weirdos cannot even compare.

                  Imagine if those weirdos decided to use their precious limited time in their lives to help out and be productive than yap... There's like hundreds or a thousand of them out there.

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                  • davidgerard@circumstances.runD davidgerard@circumstances.run

                    Tridge has responded on the rsync vibe disaster

                    Just a moment...

                    favicon

                    (medium.com)

                    * you're all dumb haters
                    * AI is a revolution just in the past few months
                    * yes there were regressions but,
                    * the new test suite is awesome you haters
                    * openrsync doesn't pass the new test suite! ha, you fools! well that's cos it targets an older version but,

                    at least it reads like he wrote it by hand

                    i can pick the particular mastodon posts he's reacting to here

                    mikalai@privacysafe.socialM This user is from outside of this forum
                    mikalai@privacysafe.socialM This user is from outside of this forum
                    mikalai@privacysafe.social
                    wrote last edited by
                    #67

                    @davidgerard was it all written by human, especially when the most intimate part -- code -- is given to next chance token machines

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                    • david_chisnall@infosec.exchangeD david_chisnall@infosec.exchange

                      @davidgerard @sharpcheddargoblin

                      I remember reading the exchanges between him and Linus about the BitKeeper thing and being very glad I didn't have to work with either of them.

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                      wrote last edited by
                      #68

                      @david_chisnall @davidgerard @sharpcheddargoblin
                      I think of it in terms of reflection. What / how processes in one's brain gets warpped by this overall illusuion of deeper think in LLM (Large Language Condensates -- "model" is a missused word here).

                      What happens at lower level than that of "personality", "arrogant" -- at a level of how these bigger behaviours are assembled.

                      We gotta know, so as to help others not to get on this needle.

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                      • davidgerard@circumstances.runD davidgerard@circumstances.run

                        @bloognoo reads like a blog post written by a drug

                        catsalad@infosec.exchangeC This user is from outside of this forum
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                        #69

                        @davidgerard @bloognoo Replacing the word "AI" with "cocaine" when reading stuff like this explains so much

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                        • davidgerard@circumstances.runD davidgerard@circumstances.run

                          @dysfun yeah i went looking and can't find evidence for that one either sadly

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                          #70

                          @davidgerard @dysfun Fedora (which I am not involved with, beyond using it on a single laptop) appears to have no problem with it. v3.4.3 was automatically pushed to FC45 <https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2026-52613027b0> and is in process of being pushed to FC44 <https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2026-d14cd355b3> and FC43. I don't see any objections coming from inside the project.

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                          • catsalad@infosec.exchangeC catsalad@infosec.exchange

                            @davidgerard @bloognoo Replacing the word "AI" with "cocaine" when reading stuff like this explains so much

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                            @catsalad @davidgerard @bloognoo

                            "Don't worry dudes and dudettes, I used AI but I very carefully designed it and planned it beforehand. That's why I have so many regressions, sorry bout dat. Also I could have communicated all this before doing it but YOSO*, you know."

                            *You Only Sail Once

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                            • davidgerard@circumstances.runD This user is from outside of this forum
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                              @kaasbaas @dlakelan @cstross withholding maintainer labour and refusing to keep working for free is a thing that worked for libxml2. i think that's my conclusion for today. if you're at the stage of posting "i'd rather be sailing", go fuckin sailing.

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                              • bloognoo@retro.pizzaB bloognoo@retro.pizza

                                @davidgerard
                                You can hear the wind whistling through the hole in their forehead.

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                                @bloognoo @davidgerard Wow I gotta remember that one.

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                                • a2_4am@mastodon.socialA a2_4am@mastodon.social

                                  @davidgerard @dysfun Fedora (which I am not involved with, beyond using it on a single laptop) appears to have no problem with it. v3.4.3 was automatically pushed to FC45 <https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2026-52613027b0> and is in process of being pushed to FC44 <https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2026-d14cd355b3> and FC43. I don't see any objections coming from inside the project.

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                                  #74

                                  @a2_4am @dysfun yeah that's all i've found

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                                  • davidgerard@circumstances.runD davidgerard@circumstances.run

                                    Tridge has responded on the rsync vibe disaster

                                    Just a moment...

                                    favicon

                                    (medium.com)

                                    * you're all dumb haters
                                    * AI is a revolution just in the past few months
                                    * yes there were regressions but,
                                    * the new test suite is awesome you haters
                                    * openrsync doesn't pass the new test suite! ha, you fools! well that's cos it targets an older version but,

                                    at least it reads like he wrote it by hand

                                    i can pick the particular mastodon posts he's reacting to here

                                    timbray@cosocial.caT This user is from outside of this forum
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                                    timbray@cosocial.ca
                                    wrote last edited by
                                    #75

                                    @davidgerard FWIW I think David's characterization of Tridge's post is inaccurate. I'd encourage people to read it before piling on. Doesn't mean I agree with Tridge's approach here. And I acknowledge I may be biased because this guy has provided software that has repeatedly saved my ass and can do things that seem miraculous. Cutting him a little slack would seem appropriate.

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                                    • davidgerard@circumstances.runD davidgerard@circumstances.run

                                      @kaasbaas @dlakelan @cstross withholding maintainer labour and refusing to keep working for free is a thing that worked for libxml2. i think that's my conclusion for today. if you're at the stage of posting "i'd rather be sailing", go fuckin sailing.

                                      tael@yiff.lifeT This user is from outside of this forum
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                                      #76

                                      @davidgerard @kaasbaas @dlakelan @cstross Plus from what I heard, rsync WAS handed off for a while, then he came back to run it again.

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                                      • timbray@cosocial.caT timbray@cosocial.ca

                                        @davidgerard FWIW I think David's characterization of Tridge's post is inaccurate. I'd encourage people to read it before piling on. Doesn't mean I agree with Tridge's approach here. And I acknowledge I may be biased because this guy has provided software that has repeatedly saved my ass and can do things that seem miraculous. Cutting him a little slack would seem appropriate.

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                                        wrote last edited by
                                        #77

                                        @timbray he subtweeted ariadne's post about alpine moving to openrsync and jonny's long thread on the python testing framework as "foaming at the mouth", come on now

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