I've been warning people about Canonical and their bad decisions for over a decade, and even I didn't expect this one.

[kernelvoid@mastodon.social]

@crow @bodil zorin O.S

[bodil@social.treehouse.systems]

@kernelvoid @crow Zorin OS is built on Ubuntu. ‍️

[kernelvoid@mastodon.social]

@bodil @crow yes, specifically Ubuntu LTS

[allpoints@mstdn.social]

@bodil +1

Allpoints (@allpoints@mstdn.social)

@pluralistic@mamot.fr I recommend two, readily available, though perhaps not inexpensive, commercial items in response. A drone and a can of spray foam insulation. This is where I'm supposed to add that this is a joke. I am explicitly not adding that.

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[ruoff@norden.social]

@bodil Dito. After some bad experiences regarding "legacy hardware support", I decided that Ubuntu could not be relied upon.

[tragivictoria@mastodon.catgirl.cloud]

@bodil@treehouse.systems @crow@cville.online Fedora is a slop jankfest. The only thing they do good is that they can read the room and not push it to default installations.

[tekchip@mastodon.social]

@crow @bodil Fedora, specifically Silverblue (gnome) or Kinoite (kde). They're immutable which means you can't (easily) break the OS and it's versioned so if an update happens to break something it's fairly easy to roll back.

However, if you want to be open to tinkering and learning how your system works regular old Fedora is the way to go.

[bodil@social.treehouse.systems]

@tragivictoria @crow That's precisely the line Ubuntu crossed, and I'm not recommending Arch to novices, so Fedora it is.

[dekablack@mastodon.social]

@bodil AI in Linux.WTF????

[crow@cville.online]

@bodil @kernelvoid But would that mean #zorin will end up infected witih #aislop?

[vantablack2000@mastodon.gamedev.place]

@bodil What does this mean for distros built on Ubuntu like Mint? Will they have AI features too or will that be up to the distro?

I am currently using Mint and I REALLY don't want to use an operating system that is going to start adding AI features. At the very least with Linux I would hope it is easy to disable at least.

[oldfartphil@mastodon.social]

@crow @bodil #Debian was the easiest transition for me when I moved away from Ubuntu. Aside from dealing with Debian's old-school installer (depending on the installation method you choose) and having to add a couple of Gnome Shell extensions, you'll hardly notice a difference in day to day use.

[oggie@woof.group]

@bodil

to use a simpsons-ism, 'Why now? Why not years ago?'

To be clear, fuck AI and all this stuff, but if you ARE going to weirdly sell out and do shitty things, why wait till the sentiment is FIRMLY against it? Like 2 years ago there was probably a window where people would have been 'okay I guess' as an optional feature.

Now, fortunatley, basically everyone is on team 'HELL NO', so...just seems a baffling choice!

[bodil@social.treehouse.systems]

@VANTABlack2000 I wouldn't expect something like Mint, which is already pretty far removed from Ubuntu's default setup, to automatically adopt Ubuntu's worse choices in this case, but I don't know the specifics of what Canonical is planning to ship, so I can't say for sure.

[zebidijah@mastodon.social]

@bodil this could legitimately be awesome!

.....but it won't. because it's canonical....

if they shipped an optional expanded version, that included small local llm (like 2b or 4b-ish sized) trained only and exclusively help you troubleshoot and script, that would be awesome!
i don't need it to write me a workout routine or draw me a stupid picture, i need it to show me im a fucking idiot who expected 'ip' command to behave the same was as the 'ls' does in terms of syntax

[bodil@social.treehouse.systems]

@zebidijah Idk what exactly they're planning, but the words "agentic workflows" have been said, so I'm expecting the worst.

[zebidijah@mastodon.social]

@crow @bodil

'what distro should i....' stop. the answer is always Mint. if you are not sure which distro is for you, then mint is the distro for you. in the context of this conversation, LMDE (Debian edition)

[raven667@hachyderm.io]

@bodil I wasn't really thinking about Canonical, but this makes perfect sense. They've always struggled to build any community around their development (mostly because of their CLA), the name "Canonical" has always been an ironic joke, so they've never had the resources to generate code to match their ambition, but with LLM-based statistical code generation they *do*. They have a sycophantic agent to replace the community they could never have and can generate a castle of ambition built out of all the low-quality code they want.

[zebidijah@mastodon.social]

@bodil same.... i feel like it's probably going to be a direct partnership with either openAI or Anthropic

with lots of loud and splashy announcements to maximize 'shareholder value' 🤮

[kernelvoid@mastodon.social]

@crow @bodil yes, I advise you use #archLinux though the installation process and the maintenance is a pain but it's worth it