I've been warning people about Canonical and their bad decisions for over a decade, and even I didn't expect this one.
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@crow @bodil Fedora, specifically Silverblue (gnome) or Kinoite (kde). They're immutable which means you can't (easily) break the OS and it's versioned so if an update happens to break something it's fairly easy to roll back.
However, if you want to be open to tinkering and learning how your system works regular old Fedora is the way to go.
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@bodil@treehouse.systems @crow@cville.online Fedora is a slop jankfest. The only thing they do good is that they can read the room and not push it to default installations.
@tragivictoria @crow That's precisely the line Ubuntu crossed, and I'm not recommending Arch to novices, so Fedora it is.
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RE: https://masto.ai/@phoronix/116476120066302561
I've been warning people about Canonical and their bad decisions for over a decade, and even I didn't expect this one.
@bodil AI in Linux.WTF????
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@kernelvoid @crow Zorin OS is built on Ubuntu.
️@bodil @kernelvoid But would that mean #zorin will end up infected witih #aislop?
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RE: https://masto.ai/@phoronix/116476120066302561
I've been warning people about Canonical and their bad decisions for over a decade, and even I didn't expect this one.
@bodil What does this mean for distros built on Ubuntu like Mint? Will they have AI features too or will that be up to the distro?
I am currently using Mint and I REALLY don't want to use an operating system that is going to start adding AI features. At the very least with Linux I would hope it is easy to disable at least.
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RE: https://masto.ai/@phoronix/116476120066302561
I've been warning people about Canonical and their bad decisions for over a decade, and even I didn't expect this one.
to use a simpsons-ism, 'Why now? Why not years ago?'
To be clear, fuck AI and all this stuff, but if you ARE going to weirdly sell out and do shitty things, why wait till the sentiment is FIRMLY against it? Like 2 years ago there was probably a window where people would have been 'okay I guess' as an optional feature.
Now, fortunatley, basically everyone is on team 'HELL NO', so...just seems a baffling choice!
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@bodil What does this mean for distros built on Ubuntu like Mint? Will they have AI features too or will that be up to the distro?
I am currently using Mint and I REALLY don't want to use an operating system that is going to start adding AI features. At the very least with Linux I would hope it is easy to disable at least.
@VANTABlack2000 I wouldn't expect something like Mint, which is already pretty far removed from Ubuntu's default setup, to automatically adopt Ubuntu's worse choices in this case, but I don't know the specifics of what Canonical is planning to ship, so I can't say for sure.
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RE: https://masto.ai/@phoronix/116476120066302561
I've been warning people about Canonical and their bad decisions for over a decade, and even I didn't expect this one.
@bodil this could legitimately be awesome!
.....but it won't. because it's canonical....
if they shipped an optional expanded version, that included small local llm (like 2b or 4b-ish sized) trained only and exclusively help you troubleshoot and script, that would be awesome!
i don't need it to write me a workout routine or draw me a stupid picture, i need it to show me im a fucking idiot who expected 'ip' command to behave the same was as the 'ls' does in terms of syntax -
@bodil this could legitimately be awesome!
.....but it won't. because it's canonical....
if they shipped an optional expanded version, that included small local llm (like 2b or 4b-ish sized) trained only and exclusively help you troubleshoot and script, that would be awesome!
i don't need it to write me a workout routine or draw me a stupid picture, i need it to show me im a fucking idiot who expected 'ip' command to behave the same was as the 'ls' does in terms of syntax@zebidijah Idk what exactly they're planning, but the words "agentic workflows" have been said, so I'm expecting the worst.
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RE: https://masto.ai/@phoronix/116476120066302561
I've been warning people about Canonical and their bad decisions for over a decade, and even I didn't expect this one.
@bodil I wasn't really thinking about Canonical, but this makes perfect sense. They've always struggled to build any community around their development (mostly because of their CLA), the name "Canonical" has always been an ironic joke, so they've never had the resources to generate code to match their ambition, but with LLM-based statistical code generation they *do*. They have a sycophantic agent to replace the community they could never have and can generate a castle of ambition built out of all the low-quality code they want.
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@zebidijah Idk what exactly they're planning, but the words "agentic workflows" have been said, so I'm expecting the worst.
@bodil same.... i feel like it's probably going to be a direct partnership with either openAI or Anthropic
with lots of loud and splashy announcements to maximize 'shareholder value' 🤮
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@bodil @kernelvoid But would that mean #zorin will end up infected witih #aislop?
@crow @bodil yes, I advise you use #archLinux though the installation process and the maintenance is a pain but it's worth it
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@bodil I think so much about canonical asking people about what their ranking was in high school
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@VANTABlack2000 I wouldn't expect something like Mint, which is already pretty far removed from Ubuntu's default setup, to automatically adopt Ubuntu's worse choices in this case, but I don't know the specifics of what Canonical is planning to ship, so I can't say for sure.
When Ubuntu made the bad decision to look like a phone everywhere with Unity, Mint went the opposite direction. So maybe Mint has more sense.
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Just for reference, if this has you finally thinking of getting rid of Ubuntu: https://social.treehouse.systems/@bodil/115889714321160414
Sigh. Wish I could say I was surprised, but they've been going the wrong way for a while now.
I took a look at Aurora, but unfortunately I don't see an easy way to get an ISO for ARM64. In 2026, that feels like a nonstarter for any serious distro.
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Sigh. Wish I could say I was surprised, but they've been going the wrong way for a while now.
I took a look at Aurora, but unfortunately I don't see an easy way to get an ISO for ARM64. In 2026, that feels like a nonstarter for any serious distro.
@soph I can't agree, ARM isn't really statistically significant for distro makers below a certain scale. I'm told Fedora baseline has good ARM support.
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@soph I can't agree, ARM isn't really statistically significant for distro makers below a certain scale. I'm told Fedora baseline has good ARM support.
@bodil possibly, though I tend to think not in overall numbers, but in groups of users. I know a lot of devs with mac machines because they're efficient for builds. An intel/amd-only distro is going to perform far slower as a VM on a mac than a ARM64 distro would, for example.
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@bodil possibly, though I tend to think not in overall numbers, but in groups of users. I know a lot of devs with mac machines because they're efficient for builds. An intel/amd-only distro is going to perform far slower as a VM on a mac than a ARM64 distro would, for example.
@soph That's probably not the kind of distro I'd want to recommend people install on their Ubuntu laptops, though.
