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" #Democrats deliver ‘stunning’ flip in New Hampshire special election, latest in series of 28 upsets"

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  • liferstate@mas.toL liferstate@mas.to

    @benroyce @fathermcgruder I'm old enough to remember when the progressive watchword was "Listen to Black women." But when Black women said "I'm voting for Harris and you should too" suddenly that wasn't important anymore.

    In 2024, 92% of Black women voted for Harris. It wasn't because they didn't care about Palestine. It's because Black voters know very well that every candidate is flawed and all votes are strategic. White people still refuse to take that lesson.

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    @liferstate @benroyce @fathermcgruder If I had a dollar for each time Black women have saved America from itself....

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    • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

      @kali @fathermcgruder @proscience

      the nonvoter doesn't care. what's most important to them is "teaching the centrist democrats a lesson." that's their priority. trans rights, womens rights, immigrants rights, iran, etc: not as important to them

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      @benroyce @kali @fathermcgruder @proscience

      Indeed. The people that nonvoters hurt the most are those for whom they profess support.

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      • kali@discuss.systemsK kali@discuss.systems

        @fathermcgruder @benroyce @proscience sorry to be that blunt, but that is what spray tan hitler has planned for u.

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        @kali @benroyce @proscience Besides complaints about the optics of blowing up a school, what are you seeing from Democratic leadership indicating that they are actually opposed to that plan?

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        • seanjh@mstdn.caS seanjh@mstdn.ca

          @fathermcgruder @liferstate @benroyce

          So opposing genocide is demanding "purity" now? The regime committing the genocide is a fascist regime. It is founded on exclusivity and ethno-supremacism. How does one support that and still oppose fascism?

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          @SeanJH @fathermcgruder @liferstate @benroyce It's not "opposing genocide" to refuse to vote in an election where "cut off support for the country doing genocide or don't cut it off?" is not a question on the ballot.

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          • fathermcgruder@jorts.horseF fathermcgruder@jorts.horse

            @kali @benroyce @proscience Besides complaints about the optics of blowing up a school, what are you seeing from Democratic leadership indicating that they are actually opposed to that plan?

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            @fathermcgruder @benroyce @proscience bro if you still think there is a plan i can't help u. good luck in life.

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            • kali@discuss.systemsK kali@discuss.systems

              @fathermcgruder @benroyce @proscience bro if you still think there is a plan i can't help u. good luck in life.

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              @fathermcgruder @benroyce @proscience you guys really have no idea what you have coming. 0. best of luck. 2008 will look like a walk in the park.

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              • fathermcgruder@jorts.horseF fathermcgruder@jorts.horse

                @kali @benroyce @proscience Besides complaints about the optics of blowing up a school, what are you seeing from Democratic leadership indicating that they are actually opposed to that plan?

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                @fathermcgruder @kali @proscience

                why do you care about what democratic leadership thinks?

                we show up in the primaries and replace them

                this is what i mean by entitlement: you're so fixated and obsessed with teaching centrist dems a lesson everything else matters less to you

                your entire topic is a red herring

                who gives a fuck what dem leadership thinks. just vote for left candidates in the primaries

                by changing the topic you're only showing you've lost the plot

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                • seanjh@mstdn.caS seanjh@mstdn.ca

                  @fathermcgruder @liferstate @benroyce

                  So opposing genocide is demanding "purity" now? The regime committing the genocide is a fascist regime. It is founded on exclusivity and ethno-supremacism. How does one support that and still oppose fascism?

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                  @SeanJH @liferstate @benroyce 🎯

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                  • fathermcgruder@jorts.horseF fathermcgruder@jorts.horse

                    @SeanJH @liferstate @benroyce 🎯

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                    @fathermcgruder @SeanJH @liferstate

                    how's that bullseye going under trump since he is now in power because so many didn't vote?

                    what has been achieved by not voting on what you *say* you care about?

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                    • liferstate@mas.toL liferstate@mas.to

                      @benroyce @fathermcgruder I'm old enough to remember when the progressive watchword was "Listen to Black women." But when Black women said "I'm voting for Harris and you should too" suddenly that wasn't important anymore.

                      In 2024, 92% of Black women voted for Harris. It wasn't because they didn't care about Palestine. It's because Black voters know very well that every candidate is flawed and all votes are strategic. White people still refuse to take that lesson.

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                      @liferstate @benroyce @fathermcgruder

                      LGBT people also preferred not being murdered.

                      "Among lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender voters, 86% cast their ballots for Vice President Kamala Harris, while 13% voted for Trump, according to NBC News exit polls."

                      https://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics-government/election/article295190254.html

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                      • alienghic@timeloop.cafeA alienghic@timeloop.cafe

                        @liferstate @benroyce @fathermcgruder

                        LGBT people also preferred not being murdered.

                        "Among lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender voters, 86% cast their ballots for Vice President Kamala Harris, while 13% voted for Trump, according to NBC News exit polls."

                        https://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics-government/election/article295190254.html

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                        @liferstate @benroyce @fathermcgruder

                        It's one reason I'm annoyed by phrase "you people voted for Trump" (when posted on mastodon).

                        Groups that heavily voted for Harris were Black women, LGBT people, people with postgraduate degrees, the religiously unaffiliated, and I think newspaper readers were also heavily biased against Trump, but I can't find a confirming reference right now.

                        Those are all categories heavily over represented here on mastodon compared to the general population.

                        There's not a lot of straight white people with a high school diploma who call themselves evangelical around here.

                        We should be arguing about how to communicate to the mainstream not complaining about each other.

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                        • dalias@hachyderm.ioD dalias@hachyderm.io

                          @SeanJH @fathermcgruder @liferstate @benroyce It's not "opposing genocide" to refuse to vote in an election where "cut off support for the country doing genocide or don't cut it off?" is not a question on the ballot.

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                          @dalias voting for any pro-genocide candidate sends the wrong feedback signal. We know now that the Democrats got the message: https://www.axios.com/2026/02/22/dnc-2024-autopsy-harris-gaza
                          Hopefully, they will take heed on future campaigns.

                          @SeanJH @liferstate @benroyce

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                          • alienghic@timeloop.cafeA alienghic@timeloop.cafe

                            @liferstate @benroyce @fathermcgruder

                            It's one reason I'm annoyed by phrase "you people voted for Trump" (when posted on mastodon).

                            Groups that heavily voted for Harris were Black women, LGBT people, people with postgraduate degrees, the religiously unaffiliated, and I think newspaper readers were also heavily biased against Trump, but I can't find a confirming reference right now.

                            Those are all categories heavily over represented here on mastodon compared to the general population.

                            There's not a lot of straight white people with a high school diploma who call themselves evangelical around here.

                            We should be arguing about how to communicate to the mainstream not complaining about each other.

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                            @alienghic @liferstate @fathermcgruder

                            my feeling is we win by flipping nonvoters

                            me yelling at a nonvoter on mastodon doesn't achieve that

                            but there's plenty listening who i am not yelling at who, reading along, appreciate the point, and decide to vote

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                            • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                              @fathermcgruder @SeanJH @liferstate

                              how's that bullseye going under trump since he is now in power because so many didn't vote?

                              what has been achieved by not voting on what you *say* you care about?

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                              @benroyce @fathermcgruder @SeanJH Musk's destruction of USAID has already killed tens of thousands of people. It's projected he could cause as many as 14 million unnecessary deaths, the deaths of people who would've lived if the food and medicine they depended on hadn't been ripped away (and in some cases literally set on fire!!). This is also a genocide, and it was 100% preventable. All you had to do was vote for the Black lady.

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                              • liferstate@mas.toL liferstate@mas.to

                                @benroyce @fathermcgruder I'm old enough to remember when the progressive watchword was "Listen to Black women." But when Black women said "I'm voting for Harris and you should too" suddenly that wasn't important anymore.

                                In 2024, 92% of Black women voted for Harris. It wasn't because they didn't care about Palestine. It's because Black voters know very well that every candidate is flawed and all votes are strategic. White people still refuse to take that lesson.

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                                @liferstate @benroyce @fathermcgruder The problem of wasn't progressives. It was moderates shifting right because eggs were expensive.

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                                • fathermcgruder@jorts.horseF fathermcgruder@jorts.horse

                                  @dalias voting for any pro-genocide candidate sends the wrong feedback signal. We know now that the Democrats got the message: https://www.axios.com/2026/02/22/dnc-2024-autopsy-harris-gaza
                                  Hopefully, they will take heed on future campaigns.

                                  @SeanJH @liferstate @benroyce

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                                  @fathermcgruder @dalias @SeanJH @liferstate

                                  just, you know, fuck all the trans people, immigrants, women, {insert 1,000 other examples of death and damage domestically and internationally here, including in the middle east which you *say* you care about}, to make your point

                                  which i don't even think was made. you allude to an article, and so what. some airhead centrist is going "well let's appeal to MAGA" about now

                                  do i understand your entitlement obsession and callousness correctly?

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                                  • xenotrope@bsd.networkX xenotrope@bsd.network

                                    @liferstate @benroyce @fathermcgruder The problem of wasn't progressives. It was moderates shifting right because eggs were expensive.

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                                    @xenotrope @liferstate @fathermcgruder

                                    they must be loving the gas prices about now

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                                    • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                                      @alienghic @liferstate @fathermcgruder

                                      my feeling is we win by flipping nonvoters

                                      me yelling at a nonvoter on mastodon doesn't achieve that

                                      but there's plenty listening who i am not yelling at who, reading along, appreciate the point, and decide to vote

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                                      @benroyce @liferstate @fathermcgruder

                                      I do think the lesson of Trump is that exciting your disaffected non-voting base can be more effective than chasing swing voters.

                                      The mainstream democrats keep chasing swing voters, and they end up depressing their progressive core who then stays home. All I've got for this is vote in the primaries and support "progressive" organizing groups

                                      I think to win elections we also need ways of countering the right wing bias in mainstream culture.

                                      nytimes.com

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                                      It'd be really good for us if the warner brother's / paramount merger fails.

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                                      • alienghic@timeloop.cafeA alienghic@timeloop.cafe

                                        @benroyce @liferstate @fathermcgruder

                                        I do think the lesson of Trump is that exciting your disaffected non-voting base can be more effective than chasing swing voters.

                                        The mainstream democrats keep chasing swing voters, and they end up depressing their progressive core who then stays home. All I've got for this is vote in the primaries and support "progressive" organizing groups

                                        I think to win elections we also need ways of countering the right wing bias in mainstream culture.

                                        nytimes.com

                                        favicon

                                        (www.nytimes.com)

                                        It'd be really good for us if the warner brother's / paramount merger fails.

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                                        @alienghic @liferstate @fathermcgruder

                                        well of course we need more left candidates

                                        but you can't depend upon centrist airheads going "how can we appeal to MAGA" to understand that

                                        so you need to just replace them by leftist voters showing up in the primaries

                                        mamdani is the blueprint

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                                        • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                                          @fathermcgruder @dalias @SeanJH @liferstate

                                          just, you know, fuck all the trans people, immigrants, women, {insert 1,000 other examples of death and damage domestically and internationally here, including in the middle east which you *say* you care about}, to make your point

                                          which i don't even think was made. you allude to an article, and so what. some airhead centrist is going "well let's appeal to MAGA" about now

                                          do i understand your entitlement obsession and callousness correctly?

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                                          @benroyce @fathermcgruder @dalias @SeanJH Trans people who have the means to do so are fleeing the country right now. Not a metaphor. I'm in a pretty safe area and even I have an exit plan.

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