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  • rstub@digitalcourage.socialR rstub@digitalcourage.social

    @spdrnl Same here. Would be interesting to hear from @pop_os_official what their plans are.
    @tante

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    @rstub @pop_os_official @tante System76 is doing a great job. I'll be looking into getting a laptop of theirs when the time comes.

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    • grumpydad@infosec.exchangeG grumpydad@infosec.exchange

      @tante Since it seems to be happening all over the place, you kind of have to wonder: Who the hell asked for all this?

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      @grumpydad @tante

      Same folks who asked for nuclear strike resilient data network in the 1970s

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      • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

        RE: https://masto.ai/@phoronix/116476120066302561

        Okay gotta migrate off to stock Debian then I guess.
        Microsoft kills its OS with all the copilot garbage users do not want and Canonical has to go: "Yeah, that's where we need to go."

        Strategic genius.

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        @tante A recurring pattern I see is of FOSS devs getting drawn into LLMs in limited situations on their own time (Segar: "I've found LLMs to be an excellent learning tool"), and rapidly scaling up integration so that they're soon unavoidable — excuse me: "implicit" — in the projects they maintain.

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        • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

          RE: https://masto.ai/@phoronix/116476120066302561

          Okay gotta migrate off to stock Debian then I guess.
          Microsoft kills its OS with all the copilot garbage users do not want and Canonical has to go: "Yeah, that's where we need to go."

          Strategic genius.

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          @tante oof, same. Guess it's time to move all my data someplace safe and nuke that OS partition. Fucking hell.

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          • jcnotwit@mastodon.socialJ jcnotwit@mastodon.social

            @tante Have the Mint team released a statement about how they're going to handle this? My search-fu is failing me.

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            @jcnotwit no idea but their thoughts behind the Linux Mint Debian Edition (LMDE) all of a sudden seem quite timely:

            "Its goal is to ensure Linux Mint can continue to deliver the same user experience if Ubuntu was ever to disappear. "

            @tante

            Link Preview Image
            Download LMDE 7 - Linux Mint

            Linux Mint is an elegant, easy to use, up to date and comfortable desktop operating system.

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              @iain @tante When they turn to vibecoding, sure. But integrating AI features into a project doesn't decrease workload — it's a new feature that has to be deployed and maintained. That's more work, not less.

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              • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                RE: https://masto.ai/@phoronix/116476120066302561

                Okay gotta migrate off to stock Debian then I guess.
                Microsoft kills its OS with all the copilot garbage users do not want and Canonical has to go: "Yeah, that's where we need to go."

                Strategic genius.

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                @tante
                I wish I could say I'm surprised, but I'm mostly surprised it took them this long.

                It's like the whole damn IT world decided they're lemmings and suddenly need to jump off that AI cliff.

                Hmm. There would probably be quite some positives in that outcome. But this period before they reach the cliff is horrible to everybody.

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                  @iain @tante It's still more work than if they had just transitioned to vibecoding updates on the existing feature set. Maybe some devs think they can use vibecoding to expand a project while still reducing the commitments that lead to burnout, but that's hype-powered cognitive dissonance.

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                  • turre@mementomori.socialT turre@mementomori.social

                    @tante
                    I wish I could say I'm surprised, but I'm mostly surprised it took them this long.

                    It's like the whole damn IT world decided they're lemmings and suddenly need to jump off that AI cliff.

                    Hmm. There would probably be quite some positives in that outcome. But this period before they reach the cliff is horrible to everybody.

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                    @Turre @tante

                    It's like there are no ethical corporate driven Linux distributions in capitalism.

                    (I've been cringing every time suse posts a generic PR message on their fedi account selling "AI" this or other).

                    RH is likely taking GNOME down the "AI" chute soon if it hasn't already.

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                    • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                      RE: https://masto.ai/@phoronix/116476120066302561

                      Okay gotta migrate off to stock Debian then I guess.
                      Microsoft kills its OS with all the copilot garbage users do not want and Canonical has to go: "Yeah, that's where we need to go."

                      Strategic genius.

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                      @tante It's one of the main reasons why many opt for Linux Mint Debian Edition, when first introduced to #Linux.

                      Canonical has a long history of more-than-skirting the unethical divide.

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                      • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                        RE: https://masto.ai/@phoronix/116476120066302561

                        Okay gotta migrate off to stock Debian then I guess.
                        Microsoft kills its OS with all the copilot garbage users do not want and Canonical has to go: "Yeah, that's where we need to go."

                        Strategic genius.

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                        @tante Nice to agree about something... I don't need integrated AI features (or Ubuntu) either.

                        Stock Debian is good, Rocky (FOSS rebuild of RHEL) is also good with overlapping 10y lifespans.

                        Just a moment...

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                        • hopeless@mas.toH hopeless@mas.to

                          @tante Nice to agree about something... I don't need integrated AI features (or Ubuntu) either.

                          Stock Debian is good, Rocky (FOSS rebuild of RHEL) is also good with overlapping 10y lifespans.

                          Just a moment...

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                          (medium.com)

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                          @hopeless redhat/rocky never clicked for me. Have been running Debian on Servers for more than 20 years now so I'll probably go that route

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                          • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                            RE: https://masto.ai/@phoronix/116476120066302561

                            Okay gotta migrate off to stock Debian then I guess.
                            Microsoft kills its OS with all the copilot garbage users do not want and Canonical has to go: "Yeah, that's where we need to go."

                            Strategic genius.

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                            @tante Their hiring practices told me the whole project would crash and burn at some point years ago.

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                            • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                              @hopeless redhat/rocky never clicked for me. Have been running Debian on Servers for more than 20 years now so I'll probably go that route

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                              @tante @hopeless If you're used to Debian but not desktop Debian, you could try MX-Linux. It's Debian with user-friendly desktop features. Very happy with it.

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                              • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                                RE: https://masto.ai/@phoronix/116476120066302561

                                Okay gotta migrate off to stock Debian then I guess.
                                Microsoft kills its OS with all the copilot garbage users do not want and Canonical has to go: "Yeah, that's where we need to go."

                                Strategic genius.

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                                @tante now I'm thinking of when they sent desktop searches to Amazon
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                                • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                                  RE: https://masto.ai/@phoronix/116476120066302561

                                  Okay gotta migrate off to stock Debian then I guess.
                                  Microsoft kills its OS with all the copilot garbage users do not want and Canonical has to go: "Yeah, that's where we need to go."

                                  Strategic genius.

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                                  @tante I see Canonical is falling back to the usual "we promise we'll be the ones that do this right, we're careful and considerate!" line. Seems like they step on a rake like this every few years.

                                  Hopefully KDE Neon keeps this stuff out, I've really grown to like that distro.

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                                  • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                                    @hopeless redhat/rocky never clicked for me. Have been running Debian on Servers for more than 20 years now so I'll probably go that route

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                                    @tante @hopeless

                                    An advantage of Rocky for docker containerisation seems to be a really minimal official (below 10MB) image for that, no maintenance burden.
                                    https://hub.docker.com/r/rockylinux/rockylinux
                                    Debian official image is around 30MB.

                                    If you're experienced on Debian, not much difference. May have to install the epel-release package (for instance, fail2ban is available from there , https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/epel/#_quickstart ) which is probably not very intuitive for someone new to the RedHat side.

                                    dnf provides '*bin/grep'

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                                    • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                                      RE: https://masto.ai/@phoronix/116476120066302561

                                      Okay gotta migrate off to stock Debian then I guess.
                                      Microsoft kills its OS with all the copilot garbage users do not want and Canonical has to go: "Yeah, that's where we need to go."

                                      Strategic genius.

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                                      @tante I switched from Xubuntu to Manjaro this winter, and is quite happy with it. Supports only 64-bit, which is ok with me.

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                                      • lrhodes@merveilles.townL lrhodes@merveilles.town

                                        @tante A recurring pattern I see is of FOSS devs getting drawn into LLMs in limited situations on their own time (Segar: "I've found LLMs to be an excellent learning tool"), and rapidly scaling up integration so that they're soon unavoidable — excuse me: "implicit" — in the projects they maintain.

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                                        @lrhodes @tante Another pattern that I spot is the “I always work alone” background.

                                        Guess AI beats working with other people for these folks.

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                                        • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                                          RE: https://masto.ai/@phoronix/116476120066302561

                                          Okay gotta migrate off to stock Debian then I guess.
                                          Microsoft kills its OS with all the copilot garbage users do not want and Canonical has to go: "Yeah, that's where we need to go."

                                          Strategic genius.

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                                          @tante Honestly, surprised that they are beating Fedora to the punch. I have liked being on Fedora, but RH/IBMs nature made it possible that Fedora would do the same, but so far... all they have is a kinda-acceptable AI policy.

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