<![CDATA[Okay gotta migrate off to stock Debian then I guess.]]>RE: https://masto.ai/@phoronix/116476120066302561

Okay gotta migrate off to stock Debian then I guess.
Microsoft kills its OS with all the copilot garbage users do not want and Canonical has to go: "Yeah, that's where we need to go."

Strategic genius.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/topic/ac1b362e-9136-4ed1-8b08-860f4dbf9f08/okay-gotta-migrate-off-to-stock-debian-then-i-guess.RSS for NodeThu, 30 Apr 2026 18:14:39 GMTMon, 27 Apr 2026 10:56:28 GMT60<![CDATA[Reply to Okay gotta migrate off to stock Debian then I guess. on Mon, 27 Apr 2026 14:28:02 GMT]]>@tante
Not enough people learned from Ubuntu's past actions.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://humanwords.party/ap/users/116332936916637974/statuses/116477138176057051https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://humanwords.party/ap/users/116332936916637974/statuses/116477138176057051Mon, 27 Apr 2026 14:28:02 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Okay gotta migrate off to stock Debian then I guess. on Mon, 27 Apr 2026 14:23:48 GMT]]>@tante Idk, I count myself pretty AI skeptical, but after reading the whole thing (https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/the-future-of-ai-in-ubuntu/81130), I must say that I think that’s one of the more considerate stances towards AI that I have read from a tech company in a while. It’s not that Ubuntu (or any Linux desktop environment) has been free from AI before. Thunderbird has spam filters since when? Automatic tagging and face detection in digiKam anyone?

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://fedihum.org/users/felwert/statuses/116477121533191345https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://fedihum.org/users/felwert/statuses/116477121533191345Mon, 27 Apr 2026 14:23:48 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Okay gotta migrate off to stock Debian then I guess. on Mon, 27 Apr 2026 14:23:18 GMT]]>@tante I always thought of Canonical as the Apple of Linux companies.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://meow.social/users/Takiro/statuses/116477119605238884https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://meow.social/users/Takiro/statuses/116477119605238884Mon, 27 Apr 2026 14:23:18 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Okay gotta migrate off to stock Debian then I guess. on Mon, 27 Apr 2026 13:55:23 GMT]]>@tante The push of AI into all the things does make a lot of refugees migrating into different areas of the digital realm. Hopefully this realm does not suffer from the same symptoms as the real world.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.social/users/axol_otleon/statuses/116477009821883911https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.social/users/axol_otleon/statuses/116477009821883911Mon, 27 Apr 2026 13:55:23 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Okay gotta migrate off to stock Debian then I guess. on Mon, 27 Apr 2026 13:32:59 GMT]]>@tante
[offtopic] I swear half of the distro/flavor names in this thread are made up 🙂
[ontopic] yeah, it seems quite strange to me that canonical is planning to jump on this bandwagon _completely unneccessarily_

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.social/users/qwertzuiop/statuses/116476921712354493https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.social/users/qwertzuiop/statuses/116476921712354493Mon, 27 Apr 2026 13:32:59 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Okay gotta migrate off to stock Debian then I guess. on Mon, 27 Apr 2026 13:25:32 GMT]]>@tante "Tasteful" for sure…

> We’re making plans on how to integrate agentic workflows into Ubuntu for those who want it in a way that feels tasteful,

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.social/users/rotnroll666/statuses/116476892474860947https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.social/users/rotnroll666/statuses/116476892474860947Mon, 27 Apr 2026 13:25:32 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Okay gotta migrate off to stock Debian then I guess. on Mon, 27 Apr 2026 13:24:48 GMT]]>@tante Same as Mozilla, pointing to accessibly because that can't be bad, can it?

> I don’t see these as “AI features”, I see them as critical accessibility features that can be dramatically improved through the adoption of LLMs with minimal (if any) drawbacks.

and so on and so forth.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.social/users/rotnroll666/statuses/116476889574010584https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.social/users/rotnroll666/statuses/116476889574010584Mon, 27 Apr 2026 13:24:48 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Okay gotta migrate off to stock Debian then I guess. on Mon, 27 Apr 2026 13:24:19 GMT]]>@tante Did you read the full blurb? https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/the-future-of-ai-in-ubuntu/81130

> I will not be measuring people at Canonical by how much they use AI, but rather continue to measure them on how well they deliver. AI is not going to take software engineering jobs at Canonical, but other software engineers who are highly competent with AI tools certainly could.

Sure thing, just divide the workers more…

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.social/users/rotnroll666/statuses/116476887629206080https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.social/users/rotnroll666/statuses/116476887629206080Mon, 27 Apr 2026 13:24:19 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Okay gotta migrate off to stock Debian then I guess. on Mon, 27 Apr 2026 13:23:20 GMT]]>@tante Honestly, surprised that they are beating Fedora to the punch. I have liked being on Fedora, but RH/IBMs nature made it possible that Fedora would do the same, but so far... all they have is a kinda-acceptable AI policy.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://social.ainmosni.eu/users/ainmosni/statuses/01KQ7HQMS0Q1DTKGH4X195TFB8https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://social.ainmosni.eu/users/ainmosni/statuses/01KQ7HQMS0Q1DTKGH4X195TFB8Mon, 27 Apr 2026 13:23:20 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Okay gotta migrate off to stock Debian then I guess. on Mon, 27 Apr 2026 13:18:36 GMT]]>@lrhodes @tante Another pattern that I spot is the “I always work alone” background.

Guess AI beats working with other people for these folks.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://toot.community/users/slotos/statuses/116476865209893812https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://toot.community/users/slotos/statuses/116476865209893812Mon, 27 Apr 2026 13:18:36 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Okay gotta migrate off to stock Debian then I guess. on Mon, 27 Apr 2026 13:11:08 GMT]]>@tante I switched from Xubuntu to Manjaro this winter, and is quite happy with it. Supports only 64-bit, which is ok with me.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.online/users/arne_senja/statuses/116476835848229912https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.online/users/arne_senja/statuses/116476835848229912Mon, 27 Apr 2026 13:11:08 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Okay gotta migrate off to stock Debian then I guess. on Mon, 27 Apr 2026 12:54:04 GMT]]>@tante @hopeless

An advantage of Rocky for docker containerisation seems to be a really minimal official (below 10MB) image for that, no maintenance burden.
https://hub.docker.com/r/rockylinux/rockylinux
Debian official image is around 30MB.

If you're experienced on Debian, not much difference. May have to install the epel-release package (for instance, fail2ban is available from there , https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/epel/#_quickstart ) which is probably not very intuitive for someone new to the RedHat side.

dnf provides '*bin/grep'

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://ohai.social/users/cohentheblue/statuses/116476768686294785https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://ohai.social/users/cohentheblue/statuses/116476768686294785Mon, 27 Apr 2026 12:54:04 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Okay gotta migrate off to stock Debian then I guess. on Mon, 27 Apr 2026 12:48:32 GMT]]>@tante I see Canonical is falling back to the usual "we promise we'll be the ones that do this right, we're careful and considerate!" line. Seems like they step on a rake like this every few years.

Hopefully KDE Neon keeps this stuff out, I've really grown to like that distro.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://hachyderm.io/ap/users/115758321822321834/statuses/116476746942059345https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://hachyderm.io/ap/users/115758321822321834/statuses/116476746942059345Mon, 27 Apr 2026 12:48:32 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Okay gotta migrate off to stock Debian then I guess. on Mon, 27 Apr 2026 12:44:28 GMT]]>@tante now I'm thinking of when they sent desktop searches to Amazon]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://convenient.email/objects/2c704a81-1269-ef5a-2c64-adc800337608https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://convenient.email/objects/2c704a81-1269-ef5a-2c64-adc800337608Mon, 27 Apr 2026 12:44:28 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Okay gotta migrate off to stock Debian then I guess. on Mon, 27 Apr 2026 12:36:39 GMT]]>@tante @hopeless If you're used to Debian but not desktop Debian, you could try MX-Linux. It's Debian with user-friendly desktop features. Very happy with it.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.social/users/jandi/statuses/116476700244966574https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.social/users/jandi/statuses/116476700244966574Mon, 27 Apr 2026 12:36:39 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Okay gotta migrate off to stock Debian then I guess. on Mon, 27 Apr 2026 12:36:05 GMT]]>@tante Their hiring practices told me the whole project would crash and burn at some point years ago.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.social/users/DerivativeThoughts/statuses/116476697977503675https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.social/users/DerivativeThoughts/statuses/116476697977503675Mon, 27 Apr 2026 12:36:05 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Okay gotta migrate off to stock Debian then I guess. on Mon, 27 Apr 2026 12:28:34 GMT]]>@hopeless redhat/rocky never clicked for me. Have been running Debian on Servers for more than 20 years now so I'll probably go that route

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://tldr.nettime.org/users/tante/statuses/116476668448479007https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://tldr.nettime.org/users/tante/statuses/116476668448479007Mon, 27 Apr 2026 12:28:34 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Okay gotta migrate off to stock Debian then I guess. on Mon, 27 Apr 2026 12:27:15 GMT]]>@tante Nice to agree about something... I don't need integrated AI features (or Ubuntu) either.

Stock Debian is good, Rocky (FOSS rebuild of RHEL) is also good with overlapping 10y lifespans.

Just a moment...

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]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mas.to/users/hopeless/statuses/116476663286228724https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mas.to/users/hopeless/statuses/116476663286228724Mon, 27 Apr 2026 12:27:15 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Okay gotta migrate off to stock Debian then I guess. on Mon, 27 Apr 2026 12:26:36 GMT]]>@tante It's one of the main reasons why many opt for Linux Mint Debian Edition, when first introduced to .

Canonical has a long history of more-than-skirting the unethical divide.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.social/ap/users/115486547681086524/statuses/116476660678280553https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.social/ap/users/115486547681086524/statuses/116476660678280553Mon, 27 Apr 2026 12:26:36 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Okay gotta migrate off to stock Debian then I guess. on Mon, 27 Apr 2026 12:16:43 GMT]]>@Turre @tante

It's like there are no ethical corporate driven Linux distributions in capitalism.

(I've been cringing every time suse posts a generic PR message on their fedi account selling "AI" this or other).

RH is likely taking GNOME down the "AI" chute soon if it hasn't already.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodontti.fi/users/nihkeys/statuses/116476621841496326https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodontti.fi/users/nihkeys/statuses/116476621841496326Mon, 27 Apr 2026 12:16:43 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Okay gotta migrate off to stock Debian then I guess. on Mon, 27 Apr 2026 12:12:28 GMT]]>@iain @tante It's still more work than if they had just transitioned to vibecoding updates on the existing feature set. Maybe some devs think they can use vibecoding to expand a project while still reducing the commitments that lead to burnout, but that's hype-powered cognitive dissonance.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://merveilles.town/users/lrhodes/statuses/116476605164934278https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://merveilles.town/users/lrhodes/statuses/116476605164934278Mon, 27 Apr 2026 12:12:28 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Okay gotta migrate off to stock Debian then I guess. on Mon, 27 Apr 2026 12:12:10 GMT]]>@tante
I wish I could say I'm surprised, but I'm mostly surprised it took them this long.

It's like the whole damn IT world decided they're lemmings and suddenly need to jump off that AI cliff.

Hmm. There would probably be quite some positives in that outcome. But this period before they reach the cliff is horrible to everybody.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mementomori.social/users/Turre/statuses/116476603942886222https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mementomori.social/users/Turre/statuses/116476603942886222Mon, 27 Apr 2026 12:12:10 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Okay gotta migrate off to stock Debian then I guess. on Mon, 27 Apr 2026 12:06:57 GMT]]>@iain @tante When they turn to vibecoding, sure. But integrating AI features into a project doesn't decrease workload — it's a new feature that has to be deployed and maintained. That's more work, not less.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://merveilles.town/users/lrhodes/statuses/116476583456258344https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://merveilles.town/users/lrhodes/statuses/116476583456258344Mon, 27 Apr 2026 12:06:57 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Okay gotta migrate off to stock Debian then I guess. on Mon, 27 Apr 2026 12:02:42 GMT]]>@jcnotwit no idea but their thoughts behind the Linux Mint Debian Edition (LMDE) all of a sudden seem quite timely:

"Its goal is to ensure Linux Mint can continue to deliver the same user experience if Ubuntu was ever to disappear. "

@tante

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Download LMDE 7 - Linux Mint

Linux Mint is an elegant, easy to use, up to date and comfortable desktop operating system.

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]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://fosstodon.org/users/fedops/statuses/116476566719888137https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://fosstodon.org/users/fedops/statuses/116476566719888137Mon, 27 Apr 2026 12:02:42 GMT