Okay gotta migrate off to stock Debian then I guess.

[grumpydad@infosec.exchange]

@tante Since it seems to be happening all over the place, you kind of have to wonder: Who the hell asked for all this?

[stege@rollenspiel.social]

@tante i wonder if this does also applies for Kubuntu/Xubuntu/Lubuntu. Because i avoided the main ubuntu already.

[tante@tldr.nettime.org]

@Stege probably.

[spdrnl@sigmoid.social]

@rstub @pop_os_official @tante System76 is doing a great job. I'll be looking into getting a laptop of theirs when the time comes.

[n_dimension@infosec.exchange]

@grumpydad @tante

Same folks who asked for nuclear strike resilient data network in the 1970s

[lrhodes@merveilles.town]

@tante A recurring pattern I see is of FOSS devs getting drawn into LLMs in limited situations on their own time (Segar: "I've found LLMs to be an excellent learning tool"), and rapidly scaling up integration so that they're soon unavoidable — excuse me: "implicit" — in the projects they maintain.

[carepackage17@mastodon.gamedev.place]

@tante oof, same. Guess it's time to move all my data someplace safe and nuke that OS partition. Fucking hell.

[fedops@fosstodon.org]

@jcnotwit no idea but their thoughts behind the Linux Mint Debian Edition (LMDE) all of a sudden seem quite timely:

"Its goal is to ensure Linux Mint can continue to deliver the same user experience if Ubuntu was ever to disappear. "

@tante

Download LMDE 7 - Linux Mint

Linux Mint is an elegant, easy to use, up to date and comfortable desktop operating system.

(www.linuxmint.com)

[lrhodes@merveilles.town]

@iain @tante When they turn to vibecoding, sure. But integrating AI features into a project doesn't decrease workload — it's a new feature that has to be deployed and maintained. That's more work, not less.

[turre@mementomori.social]

@tante
I wish I could say I'm surprised, but I'm mostly surprised it took them this long.

It's like the whole damn IT world decided they're lemmings and suddenly need to jump off that AI cliff.

Hmm. There would probably be quite some positives in that outcome. But this period before they reach the cliff is horrible to everybody.

[lrhodes@merveilles.town]

@iain @tante It's still more work than if they had just transitioned to vibecoding updates on the existing feature set. Maybe some devs think they can use vibecoding to expand a project while still reducing the commitments that lead to burnout, but that's hype-powered cognitive dissonance.

[nihkeys@mastodontti.fi]

@Turre @tante

It's like there are no ethical corporate driven Linux distributions in capitalism.

(I've been cringing every time suse posts a generic PR message on their fedi account selling "AI" this or other).

RH is likely taking GNOME down the "AI" chute soon if it hasn't already.

[cauzation@mastodon.social]

@tante It's one of the main reasons why many opt for Linux Mint Debian Edition, when first introduced to #Linux.

Canonical has a long history of more-than-skirting the unethical divide.

[hopeless@mas.to]

@tante Nice to agree about something... I don't need integrated AI features (or Ubuntu) either.

Stock Debian is good, Rocky (FOSS rebuild of RHEL) is also good with overlapping 10y lifespans.

Just a moment...

(medium.com)

[tante@tldr.nettime.org]

@hopeless redhat/rocky never clicked for me. Have been running Debian on Servers for more than 20 years now so I'll probably go that route

[derivativethoughts@mastodon.social]

@tante Their hiring practices told me the whole project would crash and burn at some point years ago.

[jandi@mastodon.social]

@tante @hopeless If you're used to Debian but not desktop Debian, you could try MX-Linux. It's Debian with user-friendly desktop features. Very happy with it.

[silverwizard@convenient.email]

@tante now I'm thinking of when they sent desktop searches to Amazon

[ectopod@hachyderm.io]

@tante I see Canonical is falling back to the usual "we promise we'll be the ones that do this right, we're careful and considerate!" line. Seems like they step on a rake like this every few years.

Hopefully KDE Neon keeps this stuff out, I've really grown to like that distro.

[cohentheblue@ohai.social]

@tante @hopeless

An advantage of Rocky for docker containerisation seems to be a really minimal official (below 10MB) image for that, no maintenance burden.
https://hub.docker.com/r/rockylinux/rockylinux
Debian official image is around 30MB.

If you're experienced on Debian, not much difference. May have to install the epel-release package (for instance, fail2ban is available from there , https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/epel/#_quickstart ) which is probably not very intuitive for someone new to the RedHat side.

dnf provides '*bin/grep'