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My mom used to do environmental activism.

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  • flowermob@mastodon.socialF flowermob@mastodon.social

    @smutmag Why does the left shoot itself compulsively?

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    @Flowermob

    Almost all human groups do this. It is as soon as the purists gain control in any way, then they play the "no True Scotsman" game until only one person is left standing.

    @smutmag

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    • smutmag@mstdn.socialS smutmag@mstdn.social

      @Flowermob

      In the case of my mother, it boiled down to two things: She had the audacity to get things done without their help, and she wasn't even wearing the "uniform." So they had to belittle her accomplishments and make her feel like a poser. The club wasn't REALLY about environmental justice. It was about having a group to hate on "pretty, vapid" people. Unfortunately, I think a lot of people are more motivated by social standing in a group than by altruistic acts.

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      @smutmag

      You mother was a good example of the power of marginal gains, and how all positive improvement ever happens.

      @Flowermob

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      • writedragon@mastodon.socialW writedragon@mastodon.social

        @woltiv @smutmag That's a logical fallacy called "whataboutism" and I call people out on it all the time (sorry about that happening to you).

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        @WriteDragon @woltiv @smutmag I see this on Mastodon from time to time where people will be discussing a movement and some reply-guy will come in and chastise them because their cause is the most important thing in the world.

        They then double down when replied to with the perfectly logical statement that more than one cause can be supported at the same time.

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        • smutmag@mstdn.socialS smutmag@mstdn.social

          @psh This was the 90's and it was a start, and it wasn't just plastic recycling. At the very least, recycling advocacy was the first time people even thought about where their garbage was going.

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          @smutmag Oh absolutely, sorry wasn't meaning to be a negative response - she sounds like she was an amazing advocate; especially during that time frame. I've talked with many environmental advocates who were fighting at that time for estuary health, bird sanctuary conservation, river conservation, no-spray zones, pesticide reduction, etc etc. It's dumbfounding just how idiotic our society as a whole was and still is to environmental wastes. That can definitely cause people to spiral into some sort of perfectionism...which is basically impossible to achieve today. You'll see much infighting like your mom experienced. And more often than not, it leads many of us who over think to an all consuming nihilism. Community shouldn't be that judgemental.

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          • smutmag@mstdn.socialS smutmag@mstdn.social

            My mom used to do environmental activism. All by herself, she got earth day started, got a recycling center going in town, and was a whistleblower about Dow chemical using agent orange. She was mentioned in Time Magazine for it.

            Then she went to a barbecue for environmentalists. They put her down for wearing red lipstick and long nails.

            And then her activism days petered out because she didn't want to hang out with these people.

            Make sure you can see the forest for the trees.

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            @smutmag Much respect for your mom. Purity tests like the ones she faced are the kiss of death to so many movements.
            Brava! From another lipstick-wearing activist.
            💙

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            • miki_lou@mastodon.socialM miki_lou@mastodon.social

              @smutmag Committed activists never stop, they just change strategies when barriers or people get in the way. Hope your mom is still standing up for Mother Earth. She needs all of our help these days.

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              @miki_lou @smutmag

              Committed activists welcome as many people as possible into their movement.

              Committed activists don't get hung up on unimportant stuff, and don't alienate potential allies.

              Committed activists pay attention to the community they are creating.

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              • psh@infosec.exchangeP psh@infosec.exchange

                @smutmag

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                @smutmag @psh ah but you also get politicians with puritan fervor to no avail

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                • smutmag@mstdn.socialS smutmag@mstdn.social

                  My mom used to do environmental activism. All by herself, she got earth day started, got a recycling center going in town, and was a whistleblower about Dow chemical using agent orange. She was mentioned in Time Magazine for it.

                  Then she went to a barbecue for environmentalists. They put her down for wearing red lipstick and long nails.

                  And then her activism days petered out because she didn't want to hang out with these people.

                  Make sure you can see the forest for the trees.

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                  @smutmag legend

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                  • smutmag@mstdn.socialS smutmag@mstdn.social

                    My mom used to do environmental activism. All by herself, she got earth day started, got a recycling center going in town, and was a whistleblower about Dow chemical using agent orange. She was mentioned in Time Magazine for it.

                    Then she went to a barbecue for environmentalists. They put her down for wearing red lipstick and long nails.

                    And then her activism days petered out because she didn't want to hang out with these people.

                    Make sure you can see the forest for the trees.

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                    @smutmag

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                    • smutmag@mstdn.socialS smutmag@mstdn.social

                      My mom used to do environmental activism. All by herself, she got earth day started, got a recycling center going in town, and was a whistleblower about Dow chemical using agent orange. She was mentioned in Time Magazine for it.

                      Then she went to a barbecue for environmentalists. They put her down for wearing red lipstick and long nails.

                      And then her activism days petered out because she didn't want to hang out with these people.

                      Make sure you can see the forest for the trees.

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                      @smutmag Extremist people can be dangerous. In every group, there are always some who go too far to the other extreme. And ironically, the most harmful people for any group are often those who are the most intense and fanatical.

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                      • jztusk@mastodon.socialJ jztusk@mastodon.social

                        @miki_lou @smutmag

                        Committed activists welcome as many people as possible into their movement.

                        Committed activists don't get hung up on unimportant stuff, and don't alienate potential allies.

                        Committed activists pay attention to the community they are creating.

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                        @jztusk @smutmag 💯

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                        • smutmag@mstdn.socialS smutmag@mstdn.social

                          My mom used to do environmental activism. All by herself, she got earth day started, got a recycling center going in town, and was a whistleblower about Dow chemical using agent orange. She was mentioned in Time Magazine for it.

                          Then she went to a barbecue for environmentalists. They put her down for wearing red lipstick and long nails.

                          And then her activism days petered out because she didn't want to hang out with these people.

                          Make sure you can see the forest for the trees.

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                          @smutmag Wow, that's ossome. I hope she clapped back at them with her head held high as she left, about the environmental footprint of a thing such as a barbecue (and what, pray tell, were they barbecuing? AFAF).

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                          • smutmag@mstdn.socialS smutmag@mstdn.social

                            My mom used to do environmental activism. All by herself, she got earth day started, got a recycling center going in town, and was a whistleblower about Dow chemical using agent orange. She was mentioned in Time Magazine for it.

                            Then she went to a barbecue for environmentalists. They put her down for wearing red lipstick and long nails.

                            And then her activism days petered out because she didn't want to hang out with these people.

                            Make sure you can see the forest for the trees.

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                            @smutmag i'm sorry if this should be obvious to me but, question

                            what possible environmentalist motivation could have they had for treating her that way? or was it just sexism?

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                            • smutmag@mstdn.socialS smutmag@mstdn.social

                              My mom used to do environmental activism. All by herself, she got earth day started, got a recycling center going in town, and was a whistleblower about Dow chemical using agent orange. She was mentioned in Time Magazine for it.

                              Then she went to a barbecue for environmentalists. They put her down for wearing red lipstick and long nails.

                              And then her activism days petered out because she didn't want to hang out with these people.

                              Make sure you can see the forest for the trees.

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                              @smutmag yes! I just got attacked by a batch of trans because I told them that OTC hormones like testosterone won't happen here. And I'm an ally! I'm also not in control of hormone regulation

                              So they're all blocked because all they did was curse and accuse me of enjoying their tit shots. I'm a nurse. Don't care about naked bodies. 🙄

                              I did ask them if their "shoot first and ask questions later" was working for them, but I guess it's so much fun to insult people that they didn't consider

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                              • smutmag@mstdn.socialS smutmag@mstdn.social

                                My mom used to do environmental activism. All by herself, she got earth day started, got a recycling center going in town, and was a whistleblower about Dow chemical using agent orange. She was mentioned in Time Magazine for it.

                                Then she went to a barbecue for environmentalists. They put her down for wearing red lipstick and long nails.

                                And then her activism days petered out because she didn't want to hang out with these people.

                                Make sure you can see the forest for the trees.

                                hananc@tooot.imH This user is from outside of this forum
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                                @smutmag I want to read more about her. What is her name?

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                                • smutmag@mstdn.socialS smutmag@mstdn.social

                                  My mom used to do environmental activism. All by herself, she got earth day started, got a recycling center going in town, and was a whistleblower about Dow chemical using agent orange. She was mentioned in Time Magazine for it.

                                  Then she went to a barbecue for environmentalists. They put her down for wearing red lipstick and long nails.

                                  And then her activism days petered out because she didn't want to hang out with these people.

                                  Make sure you can see the forest for the trees.

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                                  @smutmag @steltenpower That kind of gatekeeping and virtue snobbishness is so counter-productive.

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                                  • saeedt@mastodon.socialS saeedt@mastodon.social

                                    @smutmag Extremist people can be dangerous. In every group, there are always some who go too far to the other extreme. And ironically, the most harmful people for any group are often those who are the most intense and fanatical.

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                                    @saeedt @smutmag It's like Rowling "protecting" women by encouraging people take pictures of them in restrooms and ask for male security to remove those they deem sus... I feel very protected, really.

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                                    • hananc@tooot.imH hananc@tooot.im

                                      @smutmag I want to read more about her. What is her name?

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                                      @hananc Well, I wouldn't share it anyway, but it also wouldn't do you any good--she wasn't mentioned by name by Time, She was just referred to as a "whistleblower." She was trying not to have my dad lose his job over it, but he did, anyway.

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                                      • isocat@tiggi.esI isocat@tiggi.es

                                        @smutmag Wow, that's ossome. I hope she clapped back at them with her head held high as she left, about the environmental footprint of a thing such as a barbecue (and what, pray tell, were they barbecuing? AFAF).

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                                        @isocat Well, that was the other thing they didn't like. It was a BYO barbecue, and she brought me at...because she thought that's what a barbecue was. But everyone else was doing veggie kabobs.

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                                        • whitequark@social.treehouse.systemsW whitequark@social.treehouse.systems

                                          @smutmag i'm sorry if this should be obvious to me but, question

                                          what possible environmentalist motivation could have they had for treating her that way? or was it just sexism?

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                                          @whitequark It was an earthy/crunchy aesthetic within the group that called for everything being all natural and not-consumerist. My mom will live without a car, and conserve utilities all day, but she loves beauty products and always has and always will. At the end of the day, ironically, the earthy crunchy people were being superficial. They didn't like what her aesthetic signaled.

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