My mom used to do environmental activism.
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@WriteDragon @woltiv @smutmag I see this on Mastodon from time to time where people will be discussing a movement and some reply-guy will come in and chastise them because their cause is the most important thing in the world.
They then double down when replied to with the perfectly logical statement that more than one cause can be supported at the same time.
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@psh This was the 90's and it was a start, and it wasn't just plastic recycling. At the very least, recycling advocacy was the first time people even thought about where their garbage was going.
@smutmag Oh absolutely, sorry wasn't meaning to be a negative response - she sounds like she was an amazing advocate; especially during that time frame. I've talked with many environmental advocates who were fighting at that time for estuary health, bird sanctuary conservation, river conservation, no-spray zones, pesticide reduction, etc etc. It's dumbfounding just how idiotic our society as a whole was and still is to environmental wastes. That can definitely cause people to spiral into some sort of perfectionism...which is basically impossible to achieve today. You'll see much infighting like your mom experienced. And more often than not, it leads many of us who over think to an all consuming nihilism. Community shouldn't be that judgemental.
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My mom used to do environmental activism. All by herself, she got earth day started, got a recycling center going in town, and was a whistleblower about Dow chemical using agent orange. She was mentioned in Time Magazine for it.
Then she went to a barbecue for environmentalists. They put her down for wearing red lipstick and long nails.
And then her activism days petered out because she didn't want to hang out with these people.
Make sure you can see the forest for the trees.
@smutmag Much respect for your mom. Purity tests like the ones she faced are the kiss of death to so many movements.
Brava! From another lipstick-wearing activist.
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@smutmag Committed activists never stop, they just change strategies when barriers or people get in the way. Hope your mom is still standing up for Mother Earth. She needs all of our help these days.
Committed activists welcome as many people as possible into their movement.
Committed activists don't get hung up on unimportant stuff, and don't alienate potential allies.
Committed activists pay attention to the community they are creating.
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My mom used to do environmental activism. All by herself, she got earth day started, got a recycling center going in town, and was a whistleblower about Dow chemical using agent orange. She was mentioned in Time Magazine for it.
Then she went to a barbecue for environmentalists. They put her down for wearing red lipstick and long nails.
And then her activism days petered out because she didn't want to hang out with these people.
Make sure you can see the forest for the trees.
@smutmag legend
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My mom used to do environmental activism. All by herself, she got earth day started, got a recycling center going in town, and was a whistleblower about Dow chemical using agent orange. She was mentioned in Time Magazine for it.
Then she went to a barbecue for environmentalists. They put her down for wearing red lipstick and long nails.
And then her activism days petered out because she didn't want to hang out with these people.
Make sure you can see the forest for the trees.
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My mom used to do environmental activism. All by herself, she got earth day started, got a recycling center going in town, and was a whistleblower about Dow chemical using agent orange. She was mentioned in Time Magazine for it.
Then she went to a barbecue for environmentalists. They put her down for wearing red lipstick and long nails.
And then her activism days petered out because she didn't want to hang out with these people.
Make sure you can see the forest for the trees.
@smutmag Extremist people can be dangerous. In every group, there are always some who go too far to the other extreme. And ironically, the most harmful people for any group are often those who are the most intense and fanatical.
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My mom used to do environmental activism. All by herself, she got earth day started, got a recycling center going in town, and was a whistleblower about Dow chemical using agent orange. She was mentioned in Time Magazine for it.
Then she went to a barbecue for environmentalists. They put her down for wearing red lipstick and long nails.
And then her activism days petered out because she didn't want to hang out with these people.
Make sure you can see the forest for the trees.
@smutmag Wow, that's ossome. I hope she clapped back at them with her head held high as she left, about the environmental footprint of a thing such as a barbecue (and what, pray tell, were they barbecuing? AFAF).
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My mom used to do environmental activism. All by herself, she got earth day started, got a recycling center going in town, and was a whistleblower about Dow chemical using agent orange. She was mentioned in Time Magazine for it.
Then she went to a barbecue for environmentalists. They put her down for wearing red lipstick and long nails.
And then her activism days petered out because she didn't want to hang out with these people.
Make sure you can see the forest for the trees.
@smutmag i'm sorry if this should be obvious to me but, question
what possible environmentalist motivation could have they had for treating her that way? or was it just sexism?
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My mom used to do environmental activism. All by herself, she got earth day started, got a recycling center going in town, and was a whistleblower about Dow chemical using agent orange. She was mentioned in Time Magazine for it.
Then she went to a barbecue for environmentalists. They put her down for wearing red lipstick and long nails.
And then her activism days petered out because she didn't want to hang out with these people.
Make sure you can see the forest for the trees.
@smutmag yes! I just got attacked by a batch of trans because I told them that OTC hormones like testosterone won't happen here. And I'm an ally! I'm also not in control of hormone regulation
So they're all blocked because all they did was curse and accuse me of enjoying their tit shots. I'm a nurse. Don't care about naked bodies.
I did ask them if their "shoot first and ask questions later" was working for them, but I guess it's so much fun to insult people that they didn't consider
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My mom used to do environmental activism. All by herself, she got earth day started, got a recycling center going in town, and was a whistleblower about Dow chemical using agent orange. She was mentioned in Time Magazine for it.
Then she went to a barbecue for environmentalists. They put her down for wearing red lipstick and long nails.
And then her activism days petered out because she didn't want to hang out with these people.
Make sure you can see the forest for the trees.
@smutmag I want to read more about her. What is her name?
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My mom used to do environmental activism. All by herself, she got earth day started, got a recycling center going in town, and was a whistleblower about Dow chemical using agent orange. She was mentioned in Time Magazine for it.
Then she went to a barbecue for environmentalists. They put her down for wearing red lipstick and long nails.
And then her activism days petered out because she didn't want to hang out with these people.
Make sure you can see the forest for the trees.
@smutmag @steltenpower That kind of gatekeeping and virtue snobbishness is so counter-productive.
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@smutmag Extremist people can be dangerous. In every group, there are always some who go too far to the other extreme. And ironically, the most harmful people for any group are often those who are the most intense and fanatical.
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@smutmag I want to read more about her. What is her name?
@hananc Well, I wouldn't share it anyway, but it also wouldn't do you any good--she wasn't mentioned by name by Time, She was just referred to as a "whistleblower." She was trying not to have my dad lose his job over it, but he did, anyway.
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@smutmag Wow, that's ossome. I hope she clapped back at them with her head held high as she left, about the environmental footprint of a thing such as a barbecue (and what, pray tell, were they barbecuing? AFAF).
@isocat Well, that was the other thing they didn't like. It was a BYO barbecue, and she brought me at...because she thought that's what a barbecue was. But everyone else was doing veggie kabobs.
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@smutmag i'm sorry if this should be obvious to me but, question
what possible environmentalist motivation could have they had for treating her that way? or was it just sexism?
@whitequark It was an earthy/crunchy aesthetic within the group that called for everything being all natural and not-consumerist. My mom will live without a car, and conserve utilities all day, but she loves beauty products and always has and always will. At the end of the day, ironically, the earthy crunchy people were being superficial. They didn't like what her aesthetic signaled.
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@smutmag yes! I just got attacked by a batch of trans because I told them that OTC hormones like testosterone won't happen here. And I'm an ally! I'm also not in control of hormone regulation
So they're all blocked because all they did was curse and accuse me of enjoying their tit shots. I'm a nurse. Don't care about naked bodies.
I did ask them if their "shoot first and ask questions later" was working for them, but I guess it's so much fun to insult people that they didn't consider
Mate . . . trans people don't actually need cis people to explain that their rhetoric is too extreme. If you want a loaf of bread, you have to demand a bakery, because if you ask for a loaf, you'll get maybe one slice.
We want self ID and informed consent, so we ask for "Hrt over the counter and for free."
Its really not necessary to assume we're uninformed.
The OP is talking about something like what's described in 'The Tyranny Structrelessness' but you're discussing an ally telling the impacted group to ask for less. These are quite different scenarios.
I'm sorry you had a bad experience, but your intervention was not an example of being a good ally. Sometimes you've got to just be be quiet while the kids are demanding an unrealistic, better world.
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My mom used to do environmental activism. All by herself, she got earth day started, got a recycling center going in town, and was a whistleblower about Dow chemical using agent orange. She was mentioned in Time Magazine for it.
Then she went to a barbecue for environmentalists. They put her down for wearing red lipstick and long nails.
And then her activism days petered out because she didn't want to hang out with these people.
Make sure you can see the forest for the trees.
@smutmag This isn't going to have the effect you think it's going to have. Your mother is not a hero for being fragile and unable to ignore criticism.
