Yesterday we told you about Jolla appearing on Viiden Jälkeen by Finnish national TV channel MTV.
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@skersis @ItsePerkele Doesn't really raise concerns, I don't see any reason not to use the OS in critical places. Most parts outside of UI components are open source, anyone can check themselves.
What Jolla did in Ruzzia was to make a fork of their operating system and customisation to that for Ruzzian government needs. Even if state linked investor owner ~20% at their peak, it doesn't put Jolla in risk. Dev tasks of actual OS stayed whole time in Finland. Jolla started to leavy Rus in 2021
@skersis @ItsePerkele So I can assure you, Jolla is not Ruzzian, whole operating system is and was developed in Finland (well part of it in US probably, as Intel was partner with Nokia for Meego). The operating system were NOT developed in Ruzzia or in co-operation with Ruzzia. Reason Jolla ever went to Ruzzia was that there were no interest of independent OS inside Europe which led to financial constrains. Luckily times have changed
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@kallekn @skersis @jolla Just Google for it. They have been partially owned by Russian company which was 45% state owned but I hear that after invasion on Ukraine they’ve managed to resolve this issue and got out of this awkward situation?
It would be best though if Jolla would clarify themself the current status and ownership.@t0maz @kallekn @skersis Jolla has publicly said that there are no connections to Ruzzia what-so-ever. Jolla started leaving Ruz in 2021 and 2023 they filed for bankruptcy as Ruz owner (at peak ~20% ownership) didn't want to sell. As the company was mostly in Finnish ownership at that point, Finnish court ordered to sell the immaterial rights to another company. Management of Jolla with Finnish investors bought the immaterial rights to new company and the Ruz saga ended finally.
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"four mobile operating systems in the world" not counting UBPorts, PostmarketOS, Mobian, Maemo Leste, and of course KaiOS, which has shipped more units than Sailfish despite the latter's five-year head start
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@t0maz @kallekn @skersis Jolla has publicly said that there are no connections to Ruzzia what-so-ever. Jolla started leaving Ruz in 2021 and 2023 they filed for bankruptcy as Ruz owner (at peak ~20% ownership) didn't want to sell. As the company was mostly in Finnish ownership at that point, Finnish court ordered to sell the immaterial rights to another company. Management of Jolla with Finnish investors bought the immaterial rights to new company and the Ruz saga ended finally.
@Antti98 @kallekn @skersis It’s good to know, thanks! I just cannot find this public statement and hear some complaints that there is no transparency about current ownership status.
I guess that sharing publicly this info would help the company to quickly clarify in easy way this fact to potential customers.
Unless there is again something to be not proud of. I hope not because I’d really like to see more Linux phones on the market! -
Yesterday we told you about Jolla appearing on Viiden Jälkeen by Finnish national TV channel MTV. Today they published the full story!
MTV wrote about digital sovereignty and whether a Finnish mobile operating system could be the European alternative (article in Finnish
). There are only four mobile operating systems in the world: two American, one Chinese — and Sailfish OS. The only truly European one.Read the full piece here:
https://www.mtvuutiset.fi/artikkeli/suomalaiskannykasta-turvallinen-vaihtoehto-jattifirmoista-irti-haluaville-entisten-nokia-insinoorien-jolla-tekee-paluuta/9321652#Jolla #SailfishOS #DigitalSovereignty #PrivacyFirst #CommunityPowered #European
@jolla "There are only four mobile operating systems in the world" me when I lie
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Yesterday we told you about Jolla appearing on Viiden Jälkeen by Finnish national TV channel MTV. Today they published the full story!
MTV wrote about digital sovereignty and whether a Finnish mobile operating system could be the European alternative (article in Finnish
). There are only four mobile operating systems in the world: two American, one Chinese — and Sailfish OS. The only truly European one.Read the full piece here:
https://www.mtvuutiset.fi/artikkeli/suomalaiskannykasta-turvallinen-vaihtoehto-jattifirmoista-irti-haluaville-entisten-nokia-insinoorien-jolla-tekee-paluuta/9321652#Jolla #SailfishOS #DigitalSovereignty #PrivacyFirst #CommunityPowered #European
@jolla That's interesting.
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@Antti98 @kallekn @skersis It’s good to know, thanks! I just cannot find this public statement and hear some complaints that there is no transparency about current ownership status.
I guess that sharing publicly this info would help the company to quickly clarify in easy way this fact to potential customers.
Unless there is again something to be not proud of. I hope not because I’d really like to see more Linux phones on the market! -
good catch! wonder why they left that out of their post. I agree that adjective is necessary for their claim to be accurate
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Yesterday we told you about Jolla appearing on Viiden Jälkeen by Finnish national TV channel MTV. Today they published the full story!
MTV wrote about digital sovereignty and whether a Finnish mobile operating system could be the European alternative (article in Finnish
). There are only four mobile operating systems in the world: two American, one Chinese — and Sailfish OS. The only truly European one.Read the full piece here:
https://www.mtvuutiset.fi/artikkeli/suomalaiskannykasta-turvallinen-vaihtoehto-jattifirmoista-irti-haluaville-entisten-nokia-insinoorien-jolla-tekee-paluuta/9321652#Jolla #SailfishOS #DigitalSovereignty #PrivacyFirst #CommunityPowered #European
@jolla don't you forget UB-Ports? https://ubports.com/
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@jolla
If really - Jolla truly russian, not europe@skersis Jolla isn't Russian in any way
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Yesterday we told you about Jolla appearing on Viiden Jälkeen by Finnish national TV channel MTV. Today they published the full story!
MTV wrote about digital sovereignty and whether a Finnish mobile operating system could be the European alternative (article in Finnish
). There are only four mobile operating systems in the world: two American, one Chinese — and Sailfish OS. The only truly European one.Read the full piece here:
https://www.mtvuutiset.fi/artikkeli/suomalaiskannykasta-turvallinen-vaihtoehto-jattifirmoista-irti-haluaville-entisten-nokia-insinoorien-jolla-tekee-paluuta/9321652#Jolla #SailfishOS #DigitalSovereignty #PrivacyFirst #CommunityPowered #European
@jolla fairphone and Jolla should make phones together.
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"four mobile operating systems in the world" not counting UBPorts, PostmarketOS, Mobian, Maemo Leste, and of course KaiOS, which has shipped more units than Sailfish despite the latter's five-year head start
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1. KaiOS is not noticeably less 'smart' than Jolla. They've chosen to aim downmarket, but that is not a technical limitation.
2. Sailfish is also 'almost dead.' Jolla isn't even a company any more, just a brand name rescued from the flames of Rostelecom investment. It's a series of Kickstarter projects with mixed results.
Having used Sailfish and also literally all of the alternatives I mentioned, several of them (particularly UBPorts and PostmarketOS) are at least as good as Sailfish. An ancient Oneplus 6 running Phosh on PostmarketOS is a better successor to the Nokia N9 than anything Jollyboys has in the hopper.
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Jolla declared bankruptcy in 2025 and the IP was bought by a successor company (Jollyboys) run by the same people.
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Jolla declared bankruptcy in 2025 and the IP was bought by a successor company (Jollyboys) run by the same people.
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Yes. A new company. To hold the IP of Jolla, because Jolla was dissolved, making it not a company any more. Which is what I said. Glad we could get there in the end.
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Yes. A new company. To hold the IP of Jolla, because Jolla was dissolved, making it not a company any more. Which is what I said. Glad we could get there in the end.
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The original response to my post was slagging KaiOS and implying that Jolla had some kind of advantage over it. I was pointing out that KaiOS Technologies, Limited still exists, whereas Jolla Oy does not.
In fact, between Jolla Oy, Jolla Group Ltd, Seafarix, and Jollyboys, it's possible they've produced more companies than phones. I can tell you're emotionally invested in Sailfish, but I do not regard this as a promising sign of future success.
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The original response to my post was slagging KaiOS and implying that Jolla had some kind of advantage over it. I was pointing out that KaiOS Technologies, Limited still exists, whereas Jolla Oy does not.
In fact, between Jolla Oy, Jolla Group Ltd, Seafarix, and Jollyboys, it's possible they've produced more companies than phones. I can tell you're emotionally invested in Sailfish, but I do not regard this as a promising sign of future success.
CC: @jolla@techhub.social@khm @jolla I have no experience of KaiOS so will refrain from commenting on it.
I just feel your framing of saying, literally, that ‘Jolla is not even a company’ is unfair?
I mean even if you wanted to be super pedantic and say that, well, Jolly Boys does not include ‘Jolla’ in the name (having a company name separate from a brand is very common), they have the trademark and there actually is a registered Jolla Mobile company.
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@khm @jolla I have no experience of KaiOS so will refrain from commenting on it.
I just feel your framing of saying, literally, that ‘Jolla is not even a company’ is unfair?
I mean even if you wanted to be super pedantic and say that, well, Jolly Boys does not include ‘Jolla’ in the name (having a company name separate from a brand is very common), they have the trademark and there actually is a registered Jolla Mobile company.
I stated a fact. I regret that you feel it was unfair of me, but I do not believe that alters the basic tenet of the fact qua fact. I am open to the idea that my interpretation of their corporate history may be unduly pessimistic, but there has been a lot of flailing without much to show for it, and the fact that there are even more companies now doesn't really fill me with hope.
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