Yesterday we told you about Jolla appearing on Viiden Jälkeen by Finnish national TV channel MTV.
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"four mobile operating systems in the world" not counting UBPorts, PostmarketOS, Mobian, Maemo Leste, and of course KaiOS, which has shipped more units than Sailfish despite the latter's five-year head start
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1. KaiOS is not noticeably less 'smart' than Jolla. They've chosen to aim downmarket, but that is not a technical limitation.
2. Sailfish is also 'almost dead.' Jolla isn't even a company any more, just a brand name rescued from the flames of Rostelecom investment. It's a series of Kickstarter projects with mixed results.
Having used Sailfish and also literally all of the alternatives I mentioned, several of them (particularly UBPorts and PostmarketOS) are at least as good as Sailfish. An ancient Oneplus 6 running Phosh on PostmarketOS is a better successor to the Nokia N9 than anything Jollyboys has in the hopper.
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1. KaiOS is not noticeably less 'smart' than Jolla. They've chosen to aim downmarket, but that is not a technical limitation.
2. Sailfish is also 'almost dead.' Jolla isn't even a company any more, just a brand name rescued from the flames of Rostelecom investment. It's a series of Kickstarter projects with mixed results.
Having used Sailfish and also literally all of the alternatives I mentioned, several of them (particularly UBPorts and PostmarketOS) are at least as good as Sailfish. An ancient Oneplus 6 running Phosh on PostmarketOS is a better successor to the Nokia N9 than anything Jollyboys has in the hopper.
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KaiOS runs on outdated software and almost every remaining useful app is a web app. There are barely any new phones."Jolla is almost dead" 10k+ pre-orders for the most recent phone after the C2 . And if "Kickstarter with mixed results" kills Jolla's credibility, what does that say about PostmarketOS, which has no company, no employees, no hardware program and no revenue?
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KaiOS runs on outdated software and almost every remaining useful app is a web app. There are barely any new phones."Jolla is almost dead" 10k+ pre-orders for the most recent phone after the C2 . And if "Kickstarter with mixed results" kills Jolla's credibility, what does that say about PostmarketOS, which has no company, no employees, no hardware program and no revenue?
Still not sure how "barely any new phones" differentiates Sailfish and KaiOS.
10k pre-orders is meaningless noise in the mobile market. It's a rounding error.
Having no company, no employees, no hardware program, and no revenue is a hell of a lot better than having a company, employees, hardware program, and revenue, and no resulting advantage, and a previous failed company.
I would love to live in a world where Sailfish is a major player. They have demonstrated for over a decade that they cannot achieve that goal.
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Yesterday we told you about Jolla appearing on Viiden Jälkeen by Finnish national TV channel MTV. Today they published the full story!
MTV wrote about digital sovereignty and whether a Finnish mobile operating system could be the European alternative (article in Finnish
). There are only four mobile operating systems in the world: two American, one Chinese — and Sailfish OS. The only truly European one.Read the full piece here:
https://www.mtvuutiset.fi/artikkeli/suomalaiskannykasta-turvallinen-vaihtoehto-jattifirmoista-irti-haluaville-entisten-nokia-insinoorien-jolla-tekee-paluuta/9321652#Jolla #SailfishOS #DigitalSovereignty #PrivacyFirst #CommunityPowered #European
@jolla Any chance this article in English or Spanish?
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@jolla Any chance this article in English or Spanish?
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@jolla hey Jolla,
When can I finalise my order? Its been quite some time to get a response going. Are you even alive or is your firm 100% bot operated??@RWvanLeeuwen @jolla Check the forum, they updated regularly there. Short answer, depends a lot in which batch you are in. Doesn't help that there are ton of people DDoS their email. Patience is needed here
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@ItsePerkele
Jolla raises concerns because its Sailfish OS was previously used in Russian government projects and supported by state-linked investors. Even if those ties were later cut, it still raises questions about trust and security.@skersis @ItsePerkele Doesn't really raise concerns, I don't see any reason not to use the OS in critical places. Most parts outside of UI components are open source, anyone can check themselves.
What Jolla did in Ruzzia was to make a fork of their operating system and customisation to that for Ruzzian government needs. Even if state linked investor owner ~20% at their peak, it doesn't put Jolla in risk. Dev tasks of actual OS stayed whole time in Finland. Jolla started to leavy Rus in 2021
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@skersis @ItsePerkele Doesn't really raise concerns, I don't see any reason not to use the OS in critical places. Most parts outside of UI components are open source, anyone can check themselves.
What Jolla did in Ruzzia was to make a fork of their operating system and customisation to that for Ruzzian government needs. Even if state linked investor owner ~20% at their peak, it doesn't put Jolla in risk. Dev tasks of actual OS stayed whole time in Finland. Jolla started to leavy Rus in 2021
@skersis @ItsePerkele So I can assure you, Jolla is not Ruzzian, whole operating system is and was developed in Finland (well part of it in US probably, as Intel was partner with Nokia for Meego). The operating system were NOT developed in Ruzzia or in co-operation with Ruzzia. Reason Jolla ever went to Ruzzia was that there were no interest of independent OS inside Europe which led to financial constrains. Luckily times have changed
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@kallekn @skersis @jolla Just Google for it. They have been partially owned by Russian company which was 45% state owned but I hear that after invasion on Ukraine they’ve managed to resolve this issue and got out of this awkward situation?
It would be best though if Jolla would clarify themself the current status and ownership.@t0maz @kallekn @skersis Jolla has publicly said that there are no connections to Ruzzia what-so-ever. Jolla started leaving Ruz in 2021 and 2023 they filed for bankruptcy as Ruz owner (at peak ~20% ownership) didn't want to sell. As the company was mostly in Finnish ownership at that point, Finnish court ordered to sell the immaterial rights to another company. Management of Jolla with Finnish investors bought the immaterial rights to new company and the Ruz saga ended finally.
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"four mobile operating systems in the world" not counting UBPorts, PostmarketOS, Mobian, Maemo Leste, and of course KaiOS, which has shipped more units than Sailfish despite the latter's five-year head start
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@t0maz @kallekn @skersis Jolla has publicly said that there are no connections to Ruzzia what-so-ever. Jolla started leaving Ruz in 2021 and 2023 they filed for bankruptcy as Ruz owner (at peak ~20% ownership) didn't want to sell. As the company was mostly in Finnish ownership at that point, Finnish court ordered to sell the immaterial rights to another company. Management of Jolla with Finnish investors bought the immaterial rights to new company and the Ruz saga ended finally.
@Antti98 @kallekn @skersis It’s good to know, thanks! I just cannot find this public statement and hear some complaints that there is no transparency about current ownership status.
I guess that sharing publicly this info would help the company to quickly clarify in easy way this fact to potential customers.
Unless there is again something to be not proud of. I hope not because I’d really like to see more Linux phones on the market! -
Yesterday we told you about Jolla appearing on Viiden Jälkeen by Finnish national TV channel MTV. Today they published the full story!
MTV wrote about digital sovereignty and whether a Finnish mobile operating system could be the European alternative (article in Finnish
). There are only four mobile operating systems in the world: two American, one Chinese — and Sailfish OS. The only truly European one.Read the full piece here:
https://www.mtvuutiset.fi/artikkeli/suomalaiskannykasta-turvallinen-vaihtoehto-jattifirmoista-irti-haluaville-entisten-nokia-insinoorien-jolla-tekee-paluuta/9321652#Jolla #SailfishOS #DigitalSovereignty #PrivacyFirst #CommunityPowered #European
@jolla "There are only four mobile operating systems in the world" me when I lie
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Yesterday we told you about Jolla appearing on Viiden Jälkeen by Finnish national TV channel MTV. Today they published the full story!
MTV wrote about digital sovereignty and whether a Finnish mobile operating system could be the European alternative (article in Finnish
). There are only four mobile operating systems in the world: two American, one Chinese — and Sailfish OS. The only truly European one.Read the full piece here:
https://www.mtvuutiset.fi/artikkeli/suomalaiskannykasta-turvallinen-vaihtoehto-jattifirmoista-irti-haluaville-entisten-nokia-insinoorien-jolla-tekee-paluuta/9321652#Jolla #SailfishOS #DigitalSovereignty #PrivacyFirst #CommunityPowered #European
@jolla That's interesting.
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@Antti98 @kallekn @skersis It’s good to know, thanks! I just cannot find this public statement and hear some complaints that there is no transparency about current ownership status.
I guess that sharing publicly this info would help the company to quickly clarify in easy way this fact to potential customers.
Unless there is again something to be not proud of. I hope not because I’d really like to see more Linux phones on the market! -
good catch! wonder why they left that out of their post. I agree that adjective is necessary for their claim to be accurate
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Yesterday we told you about Jolla appearing on Viiden Jälkeen by Finnish national TV channel MTV. Today they published the full story!
MTV wrote about digital sovereignty and whether a Finnish mobile operating system could be the European alternative (article in Finnish
). There are only four mobile operating systems in the world: two American, one Chinese — and Sailfish OS. The only truly European one.Read the full piece here:
https://www.mtvuutiset.fi/artikkeli/suomalaiskannykasta-turvallinen-vaihtoehto-jattifirmoista-irti-haluaville-entisten-nokia-insinoorien-jolla-tekee-paluuta/9321652#Jolla #SailfishOS #DigitalSovereignty #PrivacyFirst #CommunityPowered #European
@jolla don't you forget UB-Ports? https://ubports.com/
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@jolla
If really - Jolla truly russian, not europe@skersis Jolla isn't Russian in any way
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Yesterday we told you about Jolla appearing on Viiden Jälkeen by Finnish national TV channel MTV. Today they published the full story!
MTV wrote about digital sovereignty and whether a Finnish mobile operating system could be the European alternative (article in Finnish
). There are only four mobile operating systems in the world: two American, one Chinese — and Sailfish OS. The only truly European one.Read the full piece here:
https://www.mtvuutiset.fi/artikkeli/suomalaiskannykasta-turvallinen-vaihtoehto-jattifirmoista-irti-haluaville-entisten-nokia-insinoorien-jolla-tekee-paluuta/9321652#Jolla #SailfishOS #DigitalSovereignty #PrivacyFirst #CommunityPowered #European
@jolla fairphone and Jolla should make phones together.
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"four mobile operating systems in the world" not counting UBPorts, PostmarketOS, Mobian, Maemo Leste, and of course KaiOS, which has shipped more units than Sailfish despite the latter's five-year head start
