Most major #media and #socialMedia in the #USA is now right wing controlled
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@benroyce @mistergibson Alright, we've gotten to that point. It sounds like you're saying "I didn't like the genocide, but I was willing to accept it to avoid a bunch of other harms."
Is genocide really just the cost of doing business? Man, not for me. We have to draw a line somewhere. Exterminating people in gas chambers and its modern equivalents seems like a pretty good place to draw that line.
you're not drawing the line
you're saying "i won't vote or i will vote 3rd party" that has the only real world effect of helping MAGA win
you might say "i am declaring i'm not part of this system"
you live here. you are a part of this system no matter what you do. you're not an incorporeal spirit, you have a physical presence on this planet
you must act
morally
and:
every action in this world is imperfect
therefore, you must decide to act effectively, imperfectly
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@benroyce @Eetschrijver @mistergibson
I just said above that people who support Magyar, once it's understood what views that includes, would not be welcome here. just like you're saying somebody who says they support Trump would not be welcome here. while afaict Magyar is better than Trump, I don't think most of fedi would think their views are decent enough to possibly stumble upon here.
please STFU re other networks. if you concede civics needs a place to share, we need to change fedi norms.
@wjmaggos @Eetschrijver @mistergibson
yes, you're arguing about magyar
when the topic is bigotry
this is changing the topic william
and no i will not STFU about other networks
you want to talk to bigots?
go where the bigots are. work your magic and make them nonbigots and bring them over
until then, we will not have bigots on the fediverse, no matter how naive and quixotic your thinking on this matter is
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you're not drawing the line
you're saying "i won't vote or i will vote 3rd party" that has the only real world effect of helping MAGA win
you might say "i am declaring i'm not part of this system"
you live here. you are a part of this system no matter what you do. you're not an incorporeal spirit, you have a physical presence on this planet
you must act
morally
and:
every action in this world is imperfect
therefore, you must decide to act effectively, imperfectly
@benroyce @mistergibson Ben, push ranked choice voting with me. Push the idea of ballot initiatives generally, and also for this purpose explicitly. This won't conflict with any other action you take, and I think good can come of it.
It's only imperfect in that it's going to be a lot of work. I wish it would just happen, but it won't on its own. But man, I'd love our debates to revolve around different formulations of ranked choice and how different methods can lead to suboptimal outcomes in corner cases, instead of "who's going to send more bombs?"
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@benroyce @mistergibson Ben, push ranked choice voting with me. Push the idea of ballot initiatives generally, and also for this purpose explicitly. This won't conflict with any other action you take, and I think good can come of it.
It's only imperfect in that it's going to be a lot of work. I wish it would just happen, but it won't on its own. But man, I'd love our debates to revolve around different formulations of ranked choice and how different methods can lead to suboptimal outcomes in corner cases, instead of "who's going to send more bombs?"
"This won't conflict with any other action you take, and I think good can come of it."
yes, it will conflict
the push you refer to is called voting
the democrats fucking suck but the GOP made a blanket stand against ranked choice in 2024, so this is our only path forward to get it
not voting means helping MAGA win
voting 3rd party helps MAGA win in FPTP
you get that
so join me. let us take over the democrats
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Most major #media and #socialMedia in the #USA is now right wing controlled
The #techbro angle is well understood, but traditional media, that used to be more balanced, being capitalist entities that were dying, plutocrats merely purchased them and put their goons on the managing editor desks
Watch this video of #Magyar going on #Hungary's version of #FoxNews (their state media) and announcing he is shutting them down
Now dream of that in the #US
To get there, you fucking #vote, idiots
So far there is one Democrat, JB Pritzker, who places prosecution of current administration officials illegal acts at the top of the list for the next administration.
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"This won't conflict with any other action you take, and I think good can come of it."
yes, it will conflict
the push you refer to is called voting
the democrats fucking suck but the GOP made a blanket stand against ranked choice in 2024, so this is our only path forward to get it
not voting means helping MAGA win
voting 3rd party helps MAGA win in FPTP
you get that
so join me. let us take over the democrats
@benroyce @mistergibson Pushing ballot initiatives doesn't conflict with getting people out to vote at all. Ballot initiatives put things on the ballot. People still have to get out and vote for them. They're just the way that we can give people things to vote for that don't suck. Totally complementary!
The GOP made a blanket statement against RCV? That's fine. Ballot initiatives don't need GOP or DNC buy-in.
If people don't vote, both your plan and mine fall right apart.
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@wjmaggos @Eetschrijver @mistergibson
yes, you're arguing about magyar
when the topic is bigotry
this is changing the topic william
and no i will not STFU about other networks
you want to talk to bigots?
go where the bigots are. work your magic and make them nonbigots and bring them over
until then, we will not have bigots on the fediverse, no matter how naive and quixotic your thinking on this matter is
@benroyce @Eetschrijver @mistergibson
what's the most conservative opinion you've seen expressed here w/o push back?
what we will have here based on your approach is a very small number of users scared to say anything unpopular lest they get angry replies, blocked and/or possibly kicked off their server for fear of it being fediblocked.
until some big community takes a more moderate position and is able to make having their own fediblocked server worth coming back to. then others join them.
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@benroyce @mistergibson Pushing ballot initiatives doesn't conflict with getting people out to vote at all. Ballot initiatives put things on the ballot. People still have to get out and vote for them. They're just the way that we can give people things to vote for that don't suck. Totally complementary!
The GOP made a blanket statement against RCV? That's fine. Ballot initiatives don't need GOP or DNC buy-in.
If people don't vote, both your plan and mine fall right apart.
all i can say to that is: embrace me brother. for while we come from different places we arrive at agreement. to both of our credit
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all i can say to that is: embrace me brother. for while we come from different places we arrive at agreement. to both of our credit
@benroyce @mistergibson Here's a very good blue candidate to support:
Karishma Manzur for Senate | Official Campaign Website
Karishma Manzur is running for the U.S. Senate to deliver bold solutions for New Hampshire. It’s time for fresh leadership in Washington. A pro-worker voice that can’t be bought by billionaires. Let’s restore power to the people and build a future that works for all of us!
Karishma for Senate (www.karishmaforsenate.com)
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@benroyce @Eetschrijver @mistergibson
what's the most conservative opinion you've seen expressed here w/o push back?
what we will have here based on your approach is a very small number of users scared to say anything unpopular lest they get angry replies, blocked and/or possibly kicked off their server for fear of it being fediblocked.
until some big community takes a more moderate position and is able to make having their own fediblocked server worth coming back to. then others join them.
@wjmaggos @Eetschrijver @mistergibson
bigotry is objectively defined
some people will confuse, purposefully or innocently, certain political opinions with bigotry
some of them are even mods and admins
and?
servers do whatever the fuck they want
they federate or not with other servers as they desire
you dislike this? who gives a fuck
william: take your rationale, and federate with other servers on that rationale
stop pretending misrepresenting what bigotry means will fool anyone here
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@benroyce @mistergibson Here's a very good blue candidate to support:
Karishma Manzur for Senate | Official Campaign Website
Karishma Manzur is running for the U.S. Senate to deliver bold solutions for New Hampshire. It’s time for fresh leadership in Washington. A pro-worker voice that can’t be bought by billionaires. Let’s restore power to the people and build a future that works for all of us!
Karishma for Senate (www.karishmaforsenate.com)
she's a democrat so we're talking coherent strategy, thank you
for her to win we need to show the fuck up in the primaries
get the word out!
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@macacator @Eetschrijver @Sassinake @aadeacon
GJ isn't saying your comment is pathetic
they are saying the misogynoir sentiment you are describing is pathetic
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@macacator @Eetschrijver @Sassinake @aadeacon
GJ isn't saying your comment is pathetic
they are saying the misogynoir sentiment you are describing is pathetic
@benroyce
Precisely. Thanks Ben. I was having dinner. @macacator @Sassinake @aadeacon -
@benroyce @Sassinake @Eetschrijver @aadeacon we need another Obama
@macacator
Obama was the greatest in my lifetime.
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@wjmaggos @Eetschrijver @mistergibson
bigotry is objectively defined
some people will confuse, purposefully or innocently, certain political opinions with bigotry
some of them are even mods and admins
and?
servers do whatever the fuck they want
they federate or not with other servers as they desire
you dislike this? who gives a fuck
william: take your rationale, and federate with other servers on that rationale
stop pretending misrepresenting what bigotry means will fool anyone here
@benroyce @Eetschrijver @mistergibson
I do have my server federate based on that rationale. and I advocate that approach by other servers.
just like you vote in primaries and scream at others to vote in primaries too. etc etc.
cause we both recognize that in a society, what we do individually is often not enough. widely sharing ideas (if we like them) is why social networks matter. you need your approach to take off to fix govt. mine might limit the power of money over culture/civics.
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@benroyce @Eetschrijver @mistergibson
I do have my server federate based on that rationale. and I advocate that approach by other servers.
just like you vote in primaries and scream at others to vote in primaries too. etc etc.
cause we both recognize that in a society, what we do individually is often not enough. widely sharing ideas (if we like them) is why social networks matter. you need your approach to take off to fix govt. mine might limit the power of money over culture/civics.
@wjmaggos @Eetschrijver @mistergibson
well our purposes overlap then because the current problem in the usa is the plutocrat-bigot political axis
bigots vote for plutocrats because plutocrats promise to be abusive to groups bigots hate, and they don't care about plutocrats robbing them
and plutocrats control media and social media and feed bigots cheer to fire them up to vote
and here you are, arguing to let bigots on the fediverse?
hell fucking no. never going to happen
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So far there is one Democrat, JB Pritzker, who places prosecution of current administration officials illegal acts at the top of the list for the next administration.
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Prosecuting the fascists and the collaborators is at the top of my list too. It's the absolute minimum it'll take to get my support in all future Democratic primaries.
And I don't want to hear how we can't do it. We've got the ICC, we've got state courts, we can just create a new anti-fascist Nuremberg style tribunal if we have to.
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@Tofu_Golem @mason @mistergibson
the only choice in the world is harm reduction or greater harm
sitting things out and thus helping greater harm win is you being an idiot, or you being a troll trying to help MAGA win
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so we vote for harm reduction
because not voting means we are helping greater harm win
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@wjmaggos @Eetschrijver @mistergibson
well our purposes overlap then because the current problem in the usa is the plutocrat-bigot political axis
bigots vote for plutocrats because plutocrats promise to be abusive to groups bigots hate, and they don't care about plutocrats robbing them
and plutocrats control media and social media and feed bigots cheer to fire them up to vote
and here you are, arguing to let bigots on the fediverse?
hell fucking no. never going to happen
@benroyce @Eetschrijver @mistergibson
the bigots exist IRL. they have websites. ugh.
afaict you think that bigots here would make us like X. even though we don't have an algo.
what I think would happen is you'd just also get to follow people who aren't here cause the no bigot policy excludes lots of normie non lefties which includes their followers so they say why bother. but we'd also be surprised by support from people we follow for moderate policies. and see rightwing opposition to war.
