Most major #media and #socialMedia in the #USA is now right wing controlled

[mason@partychickens.net]

@benroyce @mistergibson Pushing ballot initiatives doesn't conflict with getting people out to vote at all. Ballot initiatives put things on the ballot. People still have to get out and vote for them. They're just the way that we can give people things to vote for that don't suck. Totally complementary!

The GOP made a blanket statement against RCV? That's fine. Ballot initiatives don't need GOP or DNC buy-in.

If people don't vote, both your plan and mine fall right apart.

[wjmaggos@liberal.city]

@benroyce @Eetschrijver @mistergibson

what's the most conservative opinion you've seen expressed here w/o push back?

what we will have here based on your approach is a very small number of users scared to say anything unpopular lest they get angry replies, blocked and/or possibly kicked off their server for fear of it being fediblocked.

until some big community takes a more moderate position and is able to make having their own fediblocked server worth coming back to. then others join them.

[benroyce@mastodon.social]

@mason @mistergibson

all i can say to that is: embrace me brother. for while we come from different places we arrive at agreement. to both of our credit

[mason@partychickens.net]

@benroyce @mistergibson Here's a very good blue candidate to support:

Karishma Manzur for Senate | Official Campaign Website

Karishma Manzur is running for the U.S. Senate to deliver bold solutions for New Hampshire. It’s time for fresh leadership in Washington. A pro-worker voice that can’t be bought by billionaires. Let’s restore power to the people and build a future that works for all of us!

Karishma for Senate (www.karishmaforsenate.com)

[benroyce@mastodon.social]

@wjmaggos @Eetschrijver @mistergibson

bigotry is objectively defined

some people will confuse, purposefully or innocently, certain political opinions with bigotry

some of them are even mods and admins

and?

servers do whatever the fuck they want

they federate or not with other servers as they desire

you dislike this? who gives a fuck

william: take your rationale, and federate with other servers on that rationale

stop pretending misrepresenting what bigotry means will fool anyone here

[benroyce@mastodon.social]

@mason @mistergibson

she's a democrat so we're talking coherent strategy, thank you

for her to win we need to show the fuck up in the primaries

get the word out!

[sassinake@mastodon.social]

@benroyce @macacator @Eetschrijver @aadeacon

man,

[eetschrijver@mastodon.social]

@benroyce
Precisely. Thanks Ben. I was having dinner. @macacator @Sassinake @aadeacon

[eetschrijver@mastodon.social]

@macacator
Obama was the greatest in my lifetime.
@benroyce @Sassinake @aadeacon

[wjmaggos@liberal.city]

@benroyce @Eetschrijver @mistergibson

I do have my server federate based on that rationale. and I advocate that approach by other servers.

just like you vote in primaries and scream at others to vote in primaries too. etc etc.

cause we both recognize that in a society, what we do individually is often not enough. widely sharing ideas (if we like them) is why social networks matter. you need your approach to take off to fix govt. mine might limit the power of money over culture/civics.

[benroyce@mastodon.social]

@wjmaggos @Eetschrijver @mistergibson

well our purposes overlap then because the current problem in the usa is the plutocrat-bigot political axis

bigots vote for plutocrats because plutocrats promise to be abusive to groups bigots hate, and they don't care about plutocrats robbing them

and plutocrats control media and social media and feed bigots cheer to fire them up to vote

and here you are, arguing to let bigots on the fediverse?

hell fucking no. never going to happen

[bluedot@left-bank.net]

@mastodonmigration @benroyce

Prosecuting the fascists and the collaborators is at the top of my list too. It's the absolute minimum it'll take to get my support in all future Democratic primaries.

And I don't want to hear how we can't do it. We've got the ICC, we've got state courts, we can just create a new anti-fascist Nuremberg style tribunal if we have to.

#InternationalCriminalCourt #RomeStatute #Nuremberg

[benroyce@mastodon.social]

@Tofu_Golem @mason @mistergibson

the only choice in the world is harm reduction or greater harm

sitting things out and thus helping greater harm win is you being an idiot, or you being a troll trying to help MAGA win

[benroyce@mastodon.social]

@PttP @mistergibson @mason

so we vote for harm reduction

because not voting means we are helping greater harm win

[wjmaggos@liberal.city]

@benroyce @Eetschrijver @mistergibson

the bigots exist IRL. they have websites. ugh.

afaict you think that bigots here would make us like X. even though we don't have an algo.

what I think would happen is you'd just also get to follow people who aren't here cause the no bigot policy excludes lots of normie non lefties which includes their followers so they say why bother. but we'd also be surprised by support from people we follow for moderate policies. and see rightwing opposition to war.

[benroyce@mastodon.social]

@wjmaggos @Eetschrijver @mistergibson

if someone says something bigoted, they are nuked from the fediverse

everything else you say, about normies, right wingers, moderates, non lefties, conservatives, etc: unaffected

unless by your insistence on confusing "nuke bigot accounts" with "nuke conservative accounts" time after time after time that you are tacitly admitting much if not most of conservatism is in fact bigotry

[wjmaggos@liberal.city]

@benroyce @Eetschrijver @mistergibson

I'm arguing you don't control that distinction. that we don't see users who are non left but also not bigoted on fedi today and the prevalent norm here you're defending (while saying you're not) is a big part of that.

your distinction is a theory that doesn't operate here. and it couldn't because tomorrow somebody you thought was just conservative will say they support Trump etc.

a better line is us vs harassers. no need to hunt through old posts...

[wjmaggos@liberal.city]

@benroyce @Eetschrijver @mistergibson

I asked you what you thought the point of this place was and told you I think it has revolutionary potential to deal with money in our culture and civics. but that would require the masses be here. the too strict norm most embrace here prevents that. so I argue against it and hope that eventually, people agree. others then argue for it too. same with any argument about how things should change and what I think is possible if it does. reasoned persuasion.

[benroyce@mastodon.social]

@wjmaggos @Eetschrijver @mistergibson

bigots are currently opposing revolutionary potential because they support Fox News lies fed to them by plutocrats. the symbiosis of bigots getting sadism, and plutocrats getting money, keeps that system going

do you also argue for plutocrats to be here?

because you're not going to get anything revolutionary with bigoted morons or malicious plutocrats

so any argument for either to be here is to me nothing but idiocy

[chemoelectric@masto.ai]

@benroyce @blotosmetek @Eetschrijver @mistergibson

My retort would be ‘That’s not a question, it’s a buzzkill.’

But then I have just been reading from Pirkei Avot: “Shammai used to say: make your [study of the] Torah a fixed practice; speak little, but do much; and receive all men with a pleasant countenance.” https://www.sefaria.org/Pirkei_Avot.1.15?lang=bi&with=all&lang2=en