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Nearly three-quarters (72%) of citizens agree: our union brings real benefits.

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  • jtb@toot.walesJ jtb@toot.wales

    @benroyce @phl @EUCommission "perfectionist hypercriticism" ? all I said was that the commissioners are unelected. That's true. They should be elected directly, because they write laws. Why can't I express this simple view? What is social media for anyway? All I see on here is people making unsupported statements, and then going mad at anyone who disagrees.

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    @jtb @phl @EUCommission

    fire away then

    enjoy your dopamine hits

    you're very, uh... effective. yeah. uh huh

    🙄

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    • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

      @phl @jtb @EUCommission

      and you don't see how this sort of perfectionist hypercriticism can be a troll angle by the very trollfarm you say is not here on this topic?

      you think it's not around anymore?

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      @benroyce @jtb @EUCommission How is being disappointed in them not understanding no, "perfectionist hypercriticism"? If they made *one* mistake and we whined about it to no end, *that*, that would be it. This is not that. They are eroding privacy rights left and right, repeatedly, from multiple angles, to serve corporate (and US) interests before Europe's. It's not perfectionism to want something not shit, it's perfectionism to want something perfect and immaculate.

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      • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

        @jtb @phl @EUCommission

        fire away then

        enjoy your dopamine hits

        you're very, uh... effective. yeah. uh huh

        🙄

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        #66

        @benroyce @jtb @EUCommission Ben.

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        • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

          @jtb @phl @EUCommission

          i am most certainly not in a better position

          i said i was american

          you believe i said that to say i was in a better position? 😂

          we're in fucking hell over here, and i'm trying to warn you about how we got here

          misdirected energy, engineered by troll psyop

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          @benroyce @jtb @EUCommission Um, well you did say, literally, "so that certainly places you at a worse position than me". 😄

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          • jtb@toot.walesJ jtb@toot.wales

            @benroyce @phl @EUCommission So just to clarify then, Trump got elected because someone said 'bring back democracy' on mastodon? That's some power isn't it?

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            @jtb @phl @EUCommission

            more precisely, screaming perfectionist demands on social media, and calling it a day, and not showing up to vote

            some of this was fostered and initiated by right wing/ geopolitical trollfarm. because they understand the psyop effect halts real and effective change

            some people have the entitlement of shouting demands, and not actually doing anything to achieve what they want

            merely because it's slow and takes real work

            besides, all they really want is dopamine hits

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            • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

              @jtb @phl @EUCommission

              more precisely, screaming perfectionist demands on social media, and calling it a day, and not showing up to vote

              some of this was fostered and initiated by right wing/ geopolitical trollfarm. because they understand the psyop effect halts real and effective change

              some people have the entitlement of shouting demands, and not actually doing anything to achieve what they want

              merely because it's slow and takes real work

              besides, all they really want is dopamine hits

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              @benroyce @phl @EUCommission I always vote. And I am not screaming. If anyone is screaming, you are.

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              • phl@mastodon.socialP phl@mastodon.social

                @benroyce @jtb @EUCommission I really, really don't think we're being perfectionists or hypercritical, despite you latching onto those words so hard. Most of us know not to be idealists — hell, I'm coming from the Orbán country where the only solution was for every leftist to vote for a conservative, right wing guy; we're *very* far from idealism and perfectionism —, but we see the repeated refusal from the EC to take a hint with what people don't want. They just keep microsofting forward.

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                #70

                @phl @jtb @EUCommission

                then ignore me

                enjoy yourself

                shout at social media accounts

                very, uh... effective. mmhmm

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                • regguy@mstdn.socialR regguy@mstdn.social

                  @benroyce @richlv @paranormal_distribution@fosstodon.org @EUCommission An example of how to achieve one's goals is a study in how the GOP destroyed America in 45 years. Starting with Ronald Reagan and now with MAGA. Slowly taking over the systems and eroding trust, safety nets, education, and causing real pain, and blaming it on the Democrats. Watching what the EU has done in Europe is remarkable, and hopefully it can continue to serve its people.

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                  @RegGuy @benroyce @richlv @paranormal_distribution@fosstodon.org @EUCommission actually started in the 1950s with John Birch Society, Barry Goldwater, and McCarthyism.

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                  • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                    @phl @jtb @EUCommission

                    then ignore me

                    enjoy yourself

                    shout at social media accounts

                    very, uh... effective. mmhmm

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                    @benroyce @phl @EUCommission Even though you are berating me at great length, I sympathize with your suffering.

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                    • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                      @jtb @phl @EUCommission

                      more precisely, screaming perfectionist demands on social media, and calling it a day, and not showing up to vote

                      some of this was fostered and initiated by right wing/ geopolitical trollfarm. because they understand the psyop effect halts real and effective change

                      some people have the entitlement of shouting demands, and not actually doing anything to achieve what they want

                      merely because it's slow and takes real work

                      besides, all they really want is dopamine hits

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                      #73

                      @benroyce I'll just leave this here... @jtb @phl @EUCommission

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                      • phl@mastodon.socialP phl@mastodon.social

                        @benroyce @jtb @EUCommission How is being disappointed in them not understanding no, "perfectionist hypercriticism"? If they made *one* mistake and we whined about it to no end, *that*, that would be it. This is not that. They are eroding privacy rights left and right, repeatedly, from multiple angles, to serve corporate (and US) interests before Europe's. It's not perfectionism to want something not shit, it's perfectionism to want something perfect and immaculate.

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                        @phl @jtb @EUCommission

                        let's put it this way: you say you're from hungary

                        did you vote? then i embrace you. shout all you want

                        did you not vote?

                        because in the usa, what happens is this:

                        people shout idealistic demands on social media, then that's it

                        on the basis of not getting perfect, right now, they don't vote. as the immature people they are who are not interested in imperfect hard slow work, but just masturbating their deranged entitlement on social media

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                        • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                          @jtb @phl @EUCommission

                          more precisely, screaming perfectionist demands on social media, and calling it a day, and not showing up to vote

                          some of this was fostered and initiated by right wing/ geopolitical trollfarm. because they understand the psyop effect halts real and effective change

                          some people have the entitlement of shouting demands, and not actually doing anything to achieve what they want

                          merely because it's slow and takes real work

                          besides, all they really want is dopamine hits

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                          @benroyce @jtb @EUCommission That was the case with the Kamala Harris votes, which is largely irrelevant here — in particular that we're not currently in an (EU) election season in the first place, and because election psyop/influence happens at a much lower level, at e.g. Russian interference in the Romanian elections, or each country's far-right parties financed by them (directly or indirectly). We're in rather different situations and different culture (i.e. what triggers or deters people).

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                          • phl@mastodon.socialP phl@mastodon.social

                            @benroyce @jtb @EUCommission Ben.

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                            @phl @jtb @EUCommission

                            yes, can i help you?

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                            • phl@mastodon.socialP phl@mastodon.social

                              @benroyce @jtb @EUCommission Um, well you did say, literally, "so that certainly places you at a worse position than me". 😄

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                              @phl @jtb @EUCommission

                              yes because i am warning about a behavior. while they are engaging in the behavior

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                              • jtb@toot.walesJ jtb@toot.wales

                                @benroyce @phl @EUCommission I always vote. And I am not screaming. If anyone is screaming, you are.

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                                @jtb @phl @EUCommission

                                you seem stuck on this "i know you are but what am i" mode of thought. i've responded twice already on this topic

                                that you think you are immune by simply criticizing me back for the same behavior you are engaging in

                                you opened the door

                                but if you vote, indeed, i have no real problem with you

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                                • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                                  @phl @jtb @EUCommission

                                  let's put it this way: you say you're from hungary

                                  did you vote? then i embrace you. shout all you want

                                  did you not vote?

                                  because in the usa, what happens is this:

                                  people shout idealistic demands on social media, then that's it

                                  on the basis of not getting perfect, right now, they don't vote. as the immature people they are who are not interested in imperfect hard slow work, but just masturbating their deranged entitlement on social media

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                                  @benroyce @jtb @EUCommission I did, as I do every time, and we voted in the largest numbers ever since the change from the People's Republic era. Despite that like half of us are not whatsoever represented by the incoming conservative, right-wing government. And you probably have very little idea what the social and traditional media scene was like, because even in Europe most people were completely oblivious to just how fucked Hungary was in that respect. It could have deterred people, didn't.

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                                  • phl@mastodon.socialP phl@mastodon.social

                                    @benroyce @jtb @EUCommission jtb is correct in that the Commission is unelected — we only directly elect the representatives in Parliament; and the members of the European Council and Council of the European Union, inasmuch as we have direct influence on our heads of state and ministers. (neither is to be confused with the Council of Europe; I wish the EU changed the name of both). We the citizens have practically zero control over the Commission.

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                                    @phl @benroyce @jtb @EUCommission yes but the president of the European Commission must be approved by the parliament. To me that sounds democratic, no?

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                                    • jtb@toot.walesJ jtb@toot.wales

                                      @benroyce @phl @EUCommission Even though you are berating me at great length, I sympathize with your suffering.

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                                      @jtb @phl @EUCommission

                                      well i don't know why you have to process this so personally. i am criticizing a mode of behavior that is not tied to your personal identity. that you engage in it is true, but we all engage in behaviors that are not our best. so please process my words as an attack on a behavior, not a nullification of your entire being

                                      and thank you for the sympathy. now you know what motivates my words

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                                      • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                                        @jtb @phl @EUCommission

                                        you seem stuck on this "i know you are but what am i" mode of thought. i've responded twice already on this topic

                                        that you think you are immune by simply criticizing me back for the same behavior you are engaging in

                                        you opened the door

                                        but if you vote, indeed, i have no real problem with you

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                                        @benroyce @phl @EUCommission Perhaps you should have led by asking me if I vote. The rest of it was a waste of time. I am not going to stop expressing my views on social media just because you are going on and on at me, characterising what I said as shouting and screaming. It was a counter-productive ploy on your part.

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                                        • phl@mastodon.socialP phl@mastodon.social

                                          @benroyce @jtb @EUCommission That was the case with the Kamala Harris votes, which is largely irrelevant here — in particular that we're not currently in an (EU) election season in the first place, and because election psyop/influence happens at a much lower level, at e.g. Russian interference in the Romanian elections, or each country's far-right parties financed by them (directly or indirectly). We're in rather different situations and different culture (i.e. what triggers or deters people).

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                                          @phl @jtb @EUCommission

                                          "which is largely irrelevant here"

                                          on the contrary, suppressing the vote with psyop demands for perfectionism works anywhere in the world

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